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Oh dude, don't embarrass the cause. Is that what it's about for you? What have I done for YOU, personally? Not a thing, I assume, I haven't a clue who you even are.

a), b), c) and or d). why wouldn't you think what? Maybe my reasoning is wrong, like I say, I'm not a wall guy. but here's what passes for thought.. a)Mescalito - While it would seem to be the pick hit in that region of the big stone, it must have had more than 7 ascents by 1998, since at that time it was already 25 years old. Still, your position most suggests that route. b)Wall of the Early Morning Light - Bottom part is supposed to be sort of "ehhh" and the position doesn't seem quite right. Historic, but not sexy. c)Space - not really sure where it goes, but it doesn't get much press. On the otherhand, I'd believe it hadn't had a seventh ascent until 98. d)Reticent Wall - kind of a hardman route, I'd think you'd have shown more wall spray here if that was your cup of tea. Hockey Night? It's a Mescalito variant, isn't it? Odd enough to not get a 7th until 98? Yah, well, what do I know. You can wait until someone names it with confidence, then tell me where my guesses go wrong. Nice pic though, I've always loved those angles.

She doesn't look like anyone I'd call Knucklehead to her face, no sir.

Hef, I actually think it makes more sense. Modifying aid climbs makes the climbing itself easier, whereas adding bolts to free climbs makes the protection easier and the moves less committing, but the actual difficulty of the climb doesn't change. Add a bolt to a run out free climb, maybe you'll take a 20 footer instead of a 50 footer. Add a bolt to a hard aid pitch, and maybe you'll survive the fall instead of dying. Merely academic to me though, I'm not a wall aficionado.

oh, and in terms of an educated guess, if it was the 7th ascent in 98, it couldn't be Mescalito, and I wouldn't think it was either the original Wall of the Early Morning Light or Space. You haven't shown signs of being enough of an aid obsessive for it to be Reticent Wall. Hockey Night in Canada maybe?

link to more protest video, for your entertainment

I can't say that throwing rocks and covering your faces with bandanas impresses me much, and I'm an anti-war lefty. Masking up is not about pepper spray countermeasures, it's about hiding your identity. It's the demonstration equivalent of talking smack with an anonymous avatar. They haven't won any hearts and minds of average middle class residents, that's for sure.

On hard aid routes? You bet they do, and the issue of later ascents that add holes, enhance hook placements, break out the chisel, or apply a hammer to a pitch that's been done clean is hotly contested.

It's a funny old world, isn't it?

I dunno, looks like that last one was a republican drag queen? Who doesn't love a republican drag queen?

Does this mean you're a trendy clothes horse from way back? Ahh, the mystery of the selection criteria begins to come clear! Oh yeah, congrats on the swag, free stuff is cool.

Baseball is one of those games they play with sticks, right? But not the cold one?

Send me one of those jackets and I promise not to think less of you.

Tvash, it seems like most of the videos you've been posting come up as "no longer available." Have you got some kind of feed of marginally acceptable Youtube videos? I did one of those quizzes awhile back, wasn't surprised to find Kucinich at the top of the heap. It was interesting to see Mike Gravel close by in the number two position. He seems to have that charming ability to say whatever the hell he wants because he knows he hasn't got a chance. I have a fondness for politicians that say what they think, rather than what they think will get them elected. It also looks like Ron Paul would get my support long before Tom Tancredo . Would it take a constitutional amendment to force presidential candidates, as well as elected presidents, to write their own speeches?

I had to stop listening to that clip. I was afraid he was going to share how he knew so much about the masturbation habits of Saudi youth, and that would just be TMI. I don't want fundamentalist Muslims defining my personal freedoms or social norms anymore than I want the gasbag fatuous Christian Reich doing it. They all suck green donkey dicks. Don't get me started about capitalist magical thinkers and their invisible hands either...

Never mind, I ought ta not be spraying in the fitness forum.

I don't make monkeys, I just train 'em.

200 lashes? Isn't that more or less a death sentence? It's worth pointing out that the report JayB posted posits that terrorists are more likely to spring from countries that lack civil rights. This news item tends to support that conclusion. As an aside, it seems to me that Americans who are most "terrorist like", who justify torture, advocate nuking the general populace of other countries, support terrorist "freedom fighters" who are on "our side", and generally believe in brutal responses to opposition are often those least committed to civil rights for anyone who isn't just like them. If poverty caused terrorism, world history would be even bloodier than it is.

Whoa, coughing up beta on projects? Does this mean "never again" for you on that approach?

Heh, usually you pretend to not like being touched. Willy don't lie though.

"ve are nihilists. jah. ve believe in nusink"

I think local tradition involves just pouring white gas on the rock and setting it ablaze.

Woah, Sobo, happy b-day. Shouldn't you go post up in Pink's Old Farts thread now?

Let's all open our hymnals to page 45. (right click will give you the option to save the mp3 file, left click will just play the song)

Congratulations!