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let's get back to the very important thing we were discussing... ...which was what again? ah, yes, i remember! you see, simon and simon were not brothers in real life, only on television!

i am a member of the great unsilient majority

you boys are like a coupla retards trying to hump a doorknob

? did tvash want the original locked? didn't seem so as he was contributing his fair share of trash in, as was i...

only b/c it always sucks in VA, regardless of the season - i always preferred the winter to the exruciating suck of the hot, muggy summer...

all for the preserving of the greater lenght of da-fawking-nodder!?! i want to be angry, but i don't have to work till next year and i managed to get a day of climbing in y-day in the only decent weather forecasted for a week now, so i kinda feel like i'm just going through the motions of outrage...

guess i'm a heathen - in o'er-glancing the epicness contained herein, i don't see how this thread's more or less asine than the dipshits on denali thread

the denali dipshit thread will die when feck capricously decides to kill it in a vain attempt to preserve the sanctity and virtue of the gilded age of da nodder and muir on sunday, which have aged as well as a piece of brie... hoping the weather will clear after xmas so i can get a rare winter extended alpine trip in 'fore returning to the factory. really wanted to do jo'burg but thinking i don't want to waste all that time hiking in and out from the washout to get to a route's who striking feature is a 10 minute approach in summer...

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blech! quite spraying climbing-mecho-porn over my beautiful romantic vignettes! used the joeH handwarmer system today but it was overkill - plenty warm for the oldskool ways...next month, however...

athe weather wasn't so bad - pretty warm till the sun got low - probably in the low 40s and unnaturally calm - the whole gorge is frosted w/ snow above 1000 feet or so - the ice-lines forming on hamilton mtn cliff last sunday have all fallen off - it was just incredibly wet, full on waterfall comign down jill's thrill - the only patch of dry rock all day was the short patch above the crux on the slab pitch just below the roof - the rest of hte slab was nuts! basically aided off a red alien to get started into it - the normal lie-back block section required a complete mental retooling to complete - all the while reflecting htat the dude belaying me, who had the typical newbie tight-leash syndrome going on, might just as well let me take the total ride if i fell! again though, bill kept his shit good n' wired tight and i couldn't have been happier w/ how it all worked out - someone please remind him that days like this are almost, but not quite, completly not what rock climbing's all about!

hats off to billbob, a lurker about, who was the only foolish mortal to take me up on my generous solstice shin-dig - dude's never even climbed rock outdoors and gets suckered into taking on beacon in it damn near narliest possible conditions - epic wetness on the corner route - even i, the veneralble master of our tussed-up-twosome, choose to pull on gear on several spots, and was damn near freak'n trying to get past the old bashed shut pin just at the top of the slab pitch - choose to lose my rock shoes sometime last sunday (maybe i left them at the top of uprising? christ, if i did, they're good'n'fuck'n'soaked now!) - discovered this in the parking lot - ahwell, a true alpine check-off today, doing the whole thing in my trangos - even the ramp pitch above tree ledge was hard-core - poor bill, yet another newbie i'm afeared i've horrible mangled the introduction of to a cruel, yet winsome, mistress. he must be saluted for his elan and willingness to get scared on this shortest of days - as the cold moon rose and the night loomed, he managed to scourge the lurking epic-beast and prusiked what he had to on the besodden steps of the 3rd pitch - jesus, i'd rather shoot meself in the head then ever solo this, my old reliable, on a horror-show day like today! the downside was he had to leave a number of my slings and a nut on route, but the upside was he appears to have totally given up on rock-climbing and bequethed me his rope and daisy-chain! shit, i hope to recover me shit meself sometime after xmas and give'em his cord back - as it is, and in violation of the 13th amendment, i'm now his indentured guide for the next year... anyhow, only saw crackman out there today - where was the rest of the posse!?!

yes bug, i was talking about my self, firfuksakes, did you see how i used the word "trogdolyte"?!? i mean, coming on - it was lyrical! it was the ultra-mega-everything!

nonsense! there's been some mighty-fine word-crafting going on (occasionaly) in there!

john and thomas got into a pissing match back when the new testament was coalescing - john won - thomas' gospel was suppressed and thomas villified in john's account - and so the bible evolved...

and that right there is why, if god exists, he is a bit of a twit - why the fuck does saul get the personal jesus visit?!? waht's the point of keeping the rest of us heathens in the dark? for chrissakes, i'm a hedonistic fuck, and i know full well the powers of mental-illness to create illusions and fantasies, but if the Big Guy in the Bathrobe came down from the clouds w/ a plethora of big-bootie-bitches and waved his 16 inches around in my face while solving a rubix-cube in 1 second w/ his feet, i'm sure i'd be changing my tune damn quick too (probably even tvash too, though jaycee might need a big double-d rack to go w/ the long-schlong for full convincing).

only douglas adams could bring the appropriate end to this thread, but jesus reached down and took him away from us - bastard!!! "sorry for the inconvenience" - god

ha! the social-studies dept in my last school alwasy celebrated this one on our last day before the break - my fav part was the "airing of the grievances". no one was ever willing to wrestle me.

no, actually they'd say that a new species coudl well emerge in just a few hundred years, which is virtually no time at all in the fossil record, and could therefore by easily missed again, you're missing the point, the existence of evolution has zero to do w/ the existence of god - darwin believed in god and contemplated a life in the ministry prior to becoming a naturalist - einstein was no atheist. if there is a creator-god, clearly the numerous laws of science (thermondynamics, gravity, light, evolution, etc) were part of that creation...

i've broken ones from at least 2 different designs, not by falling, just by scraping htem along the wall while squeezing up chimney-type things...it was the trigger-wires and their attachment-points both times - the second time was on blown-out at a point where i desperately WANTED a piece so since being let down that time i'm officially done w/ them

there's no such thign as "less or more evolved" b/c there is no beginning or ending point to life - living things aren't striving for anythign in particuliar, just being molded by the conditions that currently surrond them. darwin was not god. his thoughts on evolution (a word he didn't even use) are not like those of abraham. it is natural that one who believes in prophets would have a hard time accepting this...evolution can proceed at times at a rapid clip, as gould suggests, leaving few "transitional" forms, which you've still yet to define.

funny, that's the subject of my first day after the break the fall of rome seems to largely have been caused by christians and a general spread of idiots w/n the general population at large who were content to watch their leaders spend vast fortunes on foreign wars while totally neglecting the poor and downtrodden among them - but then, jayb's the one who actually read all of gibbon's classic on the subject, so maybe he'd chime in, if he weren't tired already of taunting the trogdolytes i would agree that evolution is not 1000% necessary for the teachign of my subject, but then, nothing is. if you don't like evolution though, please get the fuck out of my public school system and study whatever gets you off w/ the rest of your snake-handling ilk forgive the aggressive tone, btw - the in-laws are in town!

times like these, it's good to remember me nietzche... if i didn't answer your question, then neither did you answer mine

exactly - so why in the hell does it always have to keep coming up?