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and what, to you, would a transitional fossil even look like? you have no idea what could convince you b/c you are incapable of being convinced. why not save us all a lot of bad-noise and run along and start a pro-life group somewhere in indonesia, preferably jesus-based and in the middle of a group of equally-retared muslim-fundementalist who can show you have right THEY are?

and for those who think public schools don't give fair service to religion, please come watch me teach social studies - i make a very concentrated effort to teach all of the major world religions in the fairest fashion. i obviously can't speak for all social studies teachers, but as a professional, the strident and disrespectful opinions i spray here re: religion are most definitely excluded from my lessons, and i've reprimanded no small number of twits in my classroom who think it's cool to trash each others faiths in that forum, most especially including atheists. again, w/ the why teach evolution thing - could it be that evolution is truly one of the most fundemental laws of the universe, used to explain fucking everything!? the heavens above, the stock-market, politics, current events, history, economics, religion itself for christ's-sweet-fucking-sake! everything evolves! to comprehend where we've been, where we are now, and where we're heading is impossible w/o it. for my own subject of instruction, world history, to properly begin the narrative i must begin in pre-history, which compells a discussion of geology, dating-technique, our homonid ancestors, etc. my instruction is based on tangible evidence and commonly accepted scientific theory.

the liberal judge thing is also horrendously stupid - um, haven't you guys been in charge and appointing judges for damn near 8 years now?

why teach evolution in school? why teach newtonian laws of physics? why teach economics (which, by your standards, is everybit as nebolous as evolution)? why teach any fucking thing? the concept of free public education was, from its outset, a liberal idea - it believed that, by creating a generally well-rounded education in the citizenry, those citizens would be best equipped to rule themselves and choose sensible governors and policies - our failure to get the general population to buy into some of the key concepts of that liberal education(strict seperation of church and state, recognition of the continous evolution of human societies and its consequences, respect for the rights and views of minorities/others, etc) might well explain the current and likely to be continious fucked up state we find ourselves in as a nation. why not teach ID in classrooms? why not teach the mayan cosmology? the egyptian? the indian? if this world is the best an intelligent designer could figure out, he's clearly a fawking-retard

ever notice how people who don't believe in evolution look really unevolved? "i believe god made me in 1 day!" look like he rushed it...

evolution is un-ingsoc? your quacktalk is doubleplusungood!

actually, and on this rare occasion, no - the triggers have broken on me twice, from my most excellent technique of scraping my ass along the rock while climbing the likes of blown out and what-not - guess i could blame it on myself, but i expect me gear to be better than me, firsure.

pointless conversations like are great evidence against intelligent design - if we were made so smart, how come none of us can agree on the most basic damn thing? 'cuz that mean man lucifer fawked it all up? what bullshit - look, either the Big Guy in the Bathrobe is all-powerful or not - and if he did purposefully infuse a psychopathic assfuck into our existences, then tvash is right, he ain't the kind of god who deserves any respect, any more than i'd have a right to raise my own kids if i occasionaly threw a rattlesnake into their bedrooms, just to keep'em on their toes!

are you kidding? this guys funny as shit to climb w/! his tits do get in the way sometimes though

weather's looking perfect! come on, so far i got just 2 "definetly maybe's" - some other heathens gotta be out there!

so do you see 4 or 5, senor hawks? what the hell does it matter if you directly observe speciation (which is a somewhat fuzzy concept, the lines to be drawn between species being somewhat subjective and resting ultimately on the inability of one creature to screw another and have a progeny that can do the same) is it your claim that god made every species on earth all in one big all-nighter? how come we can't find the fossil of a horse in rocks that date to a billion years ago, but there's plenty of other bones from that time period we can't find today? how come when we first start finding fossils that look like horses, they're so much smaller and have very different feet? is it your claim that god just occasinally gets off the couch ever few eons and cooks up a new critter and plops it down? what do you make of darwin's finches? the panda's thumb? if god empowered creatures to make even small modifications, as w/ the viruses in the test-tube, why in the fuck wouldn't he give them the power to keep going and become entirely different creatures from what they began as?

"if god is our father, than satan must be our uncle"

needing scientific proof for the existence of evolution is like needing scientific proof to say that "smoking tobacco is unhealthy" - sure, you can dot the t's and cross the i's by doing your exhaustive, peer-reviewed research over decades - or you can just take a look around and pull you head out of your ass and see that it is obviously the case. don't know if it was mentioned a few pages back when that fellow was pointing out the classic con argument against evolution, that we don't have any evidence of "transitional forms" - jayb, you seem far more erudite w/ the word-thang - wanna explain gould's "punctuated equilibrium" to the masses so that i don't have to? there's even some nice pictures w/ circle's n' arrow's online that oughta at least amuse, if not edify, the israelites

jesus christ on a cracker! i had a few harmless posts at the front end, turn away for a day, and this thread turns into an epic? did jesus dissappear on the n face of hood or sumthang? after begining my world history classes by explaining evolution to 14 year olds for years now, i've deduced that trying to convince those who are automatically oppossed to it is much like trying to screw a brontosaurus - ill-advised, impossible, infuriating and, in all likilihood, incredibly dangerous. it a 1984 thing - the human mind can be trained, through the coericion of others and ultimately by the individual himself, to see 5 when there is 4, or a 4000 year old earth when a simple walk in the n cascades or through the grand canyon instantly reveals that such a blip of time is little more than a fart in a typhoon. so believe whatever you want folks, and have your little baby jesus in a manger - in case you aint' been paying attention to current events for the past, oh, 2000 years, he ain't been able to do a goddamn thing - he was seen wearing sandals though, which probably means he's just been rolling phatties and chuckling over reruns of "hee-haw" instead

OP cams suck! i've broken 2 while they were just racked on my harness!

this sorta thang clearly worked well for mardi gras santa vs jesus vs camus

WWACD? ... What Would Albert Camus Do? damn, that has a nice rhyme to it!

xmas is definitely secular *sarcasm* i can't imagine why folks who don't believe in a little fairy in the sky would want to brighten up the beginning of the most dismal season of the year with good food, booze, laughs n' family. i like xmas for no other reason than guerilla harvesting trees out of my neighbors' yards

heathen, what dost thou know?!? the rock was actually pretty dry this past sunday...and what does it have to be dry for anyhow? if you're gonna be wearing a lot of clothes for the cold, might as well be frenching n' aiding n' smoking cigs, no?

current noaa forecast: Friday: Partly sunny, with a high near 41. A ringing endorsement!

alright, plenty of spray, but where's the winter hardmen at now?

i can be talked into just about anything...

Friday looks to be an okay day - who wants to bring in the winter right? i'm off da whole day...

the "articles and resources" button at the page-top *might* be a good place to start

it don't matter what it changes to now, there's no way i'm candy from you...unless yer real name is "kandi"