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Because the religion that spawns these idiots will continue to do so until it is forced to reform from within or until sufficient pressure is brought to bear upon its more civilized adherents to stand up and be counted. yet, during ww2, we castigated hitler and his nazis for their acts of terror, not the christian religion they came from and to a substantial extent used as the justification for their actions? nor did we merely pass it off as the inevitable result of european civilization? attacking the religion of islam only sprouts more heads on the hydra - the more every-day muslims feel their religion is under attack, the more they will join the ranks of terrorist organizations at any rate, doesn't this discussion of terrorist motivations seem a bit one dimensional? there are no doubt many other motivations at work - nationalism, desire for power, resentment of power, etc. comparing indian terrorists to saudi terrorists to afghan terrorists misses the unique nature of each of their beefs, and the religion of islam is merely a tool used to achieve thier political desires, no? (just like every western terrorist organization makes appeals to christianity, such as the kkk or ira?)

its seem strange that, after an act of terrorism, so many folks would spend their time bitching about and blaming the act on people other than those who ACTUALLY planned and carried out the attack

falling makes you really evaluate whether you like climbing or not, eh? i've had a decent # of truly frightening things happen climbing, but either i'm so in love w/ the sport or stupid they haven't given me much pause. there are safer things to do for sure

sure LOOKS like trout-creek climbing

you clearly weren't high enough when you saw it

found'em'indeed dave - and still connected to the same biner, so i don't for the life of me understand how you only saw a biner flyign through the air, and not the 2 kites attached to them

TR ADDENUM: unmentioned in the paltry text above was da epic losing of da extra set of etriers at the top of pitch 4 - awkward reach down to unclip the last big cam when going free into the chamber below the last bolt anchor - somehow i unclipped the biner from my daisy chain and the whole works was lost to the tempest - did the rim-job w/ just a single pair, which detracted from da sickness returned in the gloaming 2night w/ miker (figured, since i'd borrowed 'em from him, he might as well go find where i lost 'em!) - totally mismangled head moment - lost and schwacking through the dripping bush - wandered out onto the talus and down virginal thick carpets of lush moss, interspersed w/ pristine beer and water bottles cast off from the west side trail - how foolish to hope to find the etriers in this wasteland, but holy-fuck, is that them hanging of the lower branches of the giant tree w/ the bizarre park sign direclty bolted into the living bark, declaring "no climbing!?!" (well, okay, i'll be certain not to climb on THAT tree) great views of jensen's from down there - The Brethern must reclaim those routes - jeff thomas put in a start this summer, but much more is needed - then climb them while someone's taking pix thought about posting a seperate TR for the circumnav w/ made by bashing down through the thorns and oak back up to the traintrack, but figured i shouldn't make a move on tvash just yet made a day of it by pushing on to denalidaves to swip miker's jug back from the snarling dog of death!

Red Dawn

i thought psychic wound ended at the dutchman anchor? i did the upper pitch of the dutchman this summer.

to desist from spray for a member, can someone confirm if that is st peters all angelic in the fall sun?

and, straightly, other folks love it when trip reports are spray-free

f'n'awesome'bitzes!

thanx for the invite wayne - i can't tarry further away from the ranch than hood this week regretably - if someone would quit fucking around and invent a teleporter already...

it was a pleasant diversion from the big cam-defying funky crack/chimney, and when it ended in nastiness, i was able to lean way out and get a #4 back into the left system and follow it up - was dismayed at first to think i wouldn't be able to get back to the jensen's notch (the rimjob spits you out in this very funky and cool cave, painted in this thick wild orange, small-grained lichen) and have to make a sketchy anchor, but luckily a small face crack and some decent chimney climbing got me back to the happy place

Trip: Beacon Rawk - Jensen's Rimjob (5.8 C2 (5.12?) III - 5 pitches) Date: 11/23/2008 Trip Report: do you have a shit-ton of big-gear lying 'round the house and no clue where to put it to use? then here's the route for you! inside the vortex today - dry-heaved and almost blew-chunks all over myself after getting a lung-full of lichen denalidave = patient belayer, here pimped out w/ all our colorful shit we skipped the optional hard pitch to get to the notch - climbing the original first pitch in hurricane force winds was challenge enough cool weather - is that st. peters across the way? the wind made for trippy waves the .11a finger crack at the start of pitch 3 - did it w/ aiders this time - note the hurricane carrying off my etriers - spent most of the day cursing and trying to reclaim them can't say that i'm the first to have climbed the route i'm dubbing "jensen's rimjob," but there's no history or route name in the olson guide - it's a fun, aid-tacular optional end to jensen's ridge that ultimately returns to the nothc a half pitch below the trail - we used all the big gear we brought - was hoping ot stick to the left, wide chimney the whole way, but was forced right - eventually had to zig-zag back left to avoid giant stacked block death land - veeeery overhanging! dusk fell as we topped out the last technical pitch and scrambled up to the trail - venus and jupiter approach - brilliant, blustery day Gear Notes: your menu of big gear 1 #6 2 #5 2 #4 1 #3.5 2 #3 3 #2 smaller shit 2 #1 2 .75 3 .5 3 yellow alien 2 green alien 1 blue alien couple big nuts camels Approach Notes: the old reliable

Where did you get the idea Ivan and I were going to bolt at Beacon? maybe since he heard that i ordered the only existing version of that cool bolt-gun thingy from "vertical limit?"

did he also have a thing for spinanch and girls named olive oil?

nobody for sunday?!? the forecast is awesome!

that's a good question - are there any other questions?

is it the same as the second rule?

He was the leader of the ANC's armed wing Umkhonto we Sizwe and lead a bombing campaign. Mandela was a violent terrorist. yeah, i knew that bill, i don't knwo that i;m suggesting anything other than that we make our own monsters when we imprison folks who have done nothing wrong

i think most folks would acknowledge mandela is a remarkable man, and not the sort of person to compare the rest of the world to though - he also got his revenge, in a sense, by winning (seeing apartheid destroyed and becoming president) - if he'd been pardoned or released a decade earlier, when teh bad guys were still in power, who's to say he wouldn't have become a violent terrorist?

say you were innocent - now say you were held in 7 years by a nation of fucktards that didn't care - now say they let you out - why WOULDN'T you want to get some revenge?