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Tony, You need to figure out that if you actually climb something you make the posers look bad. That doesn't go over well here. Feck hates Rainier and can't understand why anyone would go there and he is a moderator. And don't mention God or religion again or he will lock your thread. What made you think you could just galavant onto this site and look for climbing partners anyway? Get a clue.

Not just yet. Lets get another 20 page of religious bullshit then I'll think about it. 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Do you get that I am equating your hatred for Christians with the hatred those other Wyoming lads have for gay people? No such thing as live and let live eh? All you have to do is stop reading this thread but instead you chose to attack with violent suggestions. Why have you made this choice?

Tony, Your enthusiasm is pissing people off. Why do you think you can just start posting about actually climbing something before you have the approval of the people who post here so much they can't climb? That's like so whatever.

I have a handle for a LifeLink shovel that you can have if it will fit.

Ah. They all did time as I remember. I was surprised at the harshness of the decision that came down from a Wyoming jury.

Wasn't there some barbed wire involved?

I support Microsoft products and can't say much about Macs but I will say that virtualization is not yet in its prime. VMW has some good software but Microsoft VPC is a free download. If you are going to use much PC software, you should test virtualization first and see if it will meet your needs. There are extra steps in connectivity and high demands on ram.

You are a very colorful guy. But you missed all the excitement here. Move along. Or go out, beat up a gay guy and tie him to a barbwire fence somewhere in Wyoming. That's the kind of hate you are looking for isn't it?

Yeah, right. That always held Beckey back. Sounds like what you're looking for is a 'subsidy'. Seriously, being POOR is the story of climbers. When I was in college and got my PELL grant each year, I bought a new lead rope. To put a rack together I soloed and rapelled popular routes and retreived gear left by people who got stuck (NO not established anchors). The point is, most of us got started by sheer determination. I went out by myself a lot until I found other people to climb with. We used to return pop bottles for gas money to drive down the Bitterroot. I had a van and sometimes there were ten of us in it all pitching in pennies for gas. Often, some of us would have a carrot or two for lunch. So if you are looking for the magic bullet, you might try posting personal adds on Craigslist. You will not get much sympathy for being poor here. On the more positive side, it can be done. Keep searching for climbing gatherings. Slide shows, gear store events, internet sites. Find people like yourself. Post ads in all places. Get a few people together, fill a tank with gas and drive to Joshua Tree national Monument north of Palm Springs. Meet people in the Hidden Valley campground. Winter is a good time to do that. Many of us considered it our winter retreat in our younger years. If your picture is representative of what you look like, take a baseball bat.

Wet would be nice.

Buying opportunities are just around the corner. Buy the rumour, sell the news. Rumours of a economic stimulus package are abounding but what will it actually be? What will Wall Street think about the final plan? Jan-Feb are often the time for big dives and we have been needing a correction. So far we have nothing for a economic stimulus. When something hits the street, we will head for the bottom then bounce. Unless we don't. Then we will be in a recession. Then buy gold. I am still sitting on my cash. My 2 cents.

As far as I know, I have allmy parts. But after seeing that UFO in 64, I might double-check.

OOOOHHHH man that sounds nice. I remember the first time I went down there. I went to my parents for Thanksgiving in Missoula and a freak early cold snap dropped the temps to well below zero. I froze my balls walking home. The next morning I was on the on ramp hitchhiking south. I made it to JT in about 48 hours. A nice little lady in a mini-van drove me to the top of the divide coming in from the north and I climbed up on the rocks to see the sun setting on JT between my bare toes as the smoke rose listlessly through the still heat.

I go alone often. I also had a water bottle leak onto my bag once. Lucky for me it was a Polargusrd 3D bag. Sounds like a good trip for refining skills. I will be looking for someone to go with my 12 yr old daughter and I this June. She will be slow but will make it. I have summited a few times. Feel free to PM me for info.

Nice TR and pics. Thanks!

Oh, the ice was buried for the most part.

It was good for snow caving. My daughters and I dug a great one and they had fun on snowshoes in the powder. I got a few turns in. Very nice powder. There were a lot of tracks up and about but here is what I found in the snow pack. The powder is about 2 to 3 feet deep and not wind blown in the valley. beneath the powder is a two foot layer of styrofoam. Below that is a ten inch layer of wet grainy snow. If the styrofoam is stressed enough it will have nothing holding it to the ground. The styrofoam layer was very strong but I would not go out on large open slopes.

Montana road tours can be very productive. Because of the smaller population, roadside climbing is not a problem for most police and highway patrol as long as you park off the road safely. Nice pics Pup!

I like your girlfriend avatar but it has caught the attention of a person at work and I can no longer access CC.Com from work.

I have no desire to do this over bungee jumping. Why make your body absorb that kind of force? My father, brother and an ex-girlfriend had chronic back problems. It compromises the fun factor in ALL aspects of life. Bunjee jumping still gives you the fall rush and absorbs the shock.

So how about you go to a zoo with "regulation" height walls and taunt a full grown tiger mercilessly. We'll see if that's the answer or not.

Being mauled by a tiger would really suck. But how low would your IQ have to be before you could be ruled incompetent to know not to fuck with a friggin Tiger? The cat was doing what cats do. Doh! He ate the mouse. Who would have guessed? The cat stays in his pen for how many years? 8? And one day he MAGICALLY figures out how to get out? BULLSHIT. There is a big difference between a wild predator in a normal state and a wild predator in a frenzied state. No matter how many generations of tigers you successfully raise in captivity, they evolved to hunt, stalk, chase down, kill, and eat their prey. Killing them for doing what they have evolved to do was wrong. The walls not being high enough is a cop out. These kids were not mature enough to be on their own in a zoo. That is not the Zoo's fault imo. It is a matter of personal responsibility, just like using a cell phone to get helicoptered off Rainier when your toes get cold. These kids and parents are too fucked up to admit that THE KIDS fucked up by playing chicken with a tiger. Sue the adult aged "kids" involved for the death of the teenager.

Take some toe warmers.