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I used to use 50m double 9's when I was doing a lot of adventure climbing in the Bitterroots. The rappelling advantage was useful many times. More importantly, rope failure by rock fall was cut significantly. But another advantage was the decreased elasticity on really hard onsights. A fall didn't leave me hanging three moves below the piece at my feet. This saved a lot of time and energy. I tried the twin 8.7 60m and I just didn't need the extra length plus they were too snarly.

Yeah, I've probably lowered everyone's quality of life by deleting your brilliant pearl of humor, laughing at tony.henley's spelling. Aren't you the guy who also made the lame snappy comeback to Jon when he pointed out that there's no spray in that forum? For the record, it appears that tony.henley is who he says he is, and is definitely not Arc/Divot/Crampon/Icefall. It wasn't his spelling I was laughing at. I didn't even SAY what I was laughing at. I wouldn't bother trying to explain it to you. (Like explaining ANY joke someone doesn't get will then somehow make it funny.) You didn't even understand my post. I just said his post made me laugh, you made an incorrect assumption about what I was laughing at, and deleted my post. Nice job. And I did make that 'snappy comeback' on some other thread, but that had NOTHING to do with laughing at what Tony said, Herr Moderator. You are only seeing the trees and not the forest. Being mean and rude for the sake of being mean and rude, or even if some of us think it is funny, will not improve this site as a climbing resource if it turns more people away than it attrcts. I think we are well over the line of turning people away. Muffy, yes, every winter. Just like kindergarten.

Corporate fascism. Treat your employees like shit so they don't dare ask for a raise. Keep adding to their workload so they can't possibly accomplish everything. Reward a select few with trinkets and baubles. Randomly fire people to keep the fear alive. Never treat an underling like an equal. CBS, go in peace. You are better off now. Keep in touch so we can crash on your floor.

Why are Catholics glad that Jesus was crucified adn not stoned to death? Because it is more dignified to make the sign of the cross than to pat yourself all over while dancing around.

Some people here do actually climb. But it is rare.

Muffy, I'm just an avatar, and this is on line pretend time. Until that unlikely, life-changing moment when you accept Tvash into your heart as your Personal Savior, you need not even think about justifying anything to me. CHHAAA you better be at my personal pubclub at the end of march. we are going rollerskating if porter can find us a rink that serves beer. if you are not there i will be forever pissed and hate you til the end of time Sorry, my policy is to never actually meet other Sprayers in person. I find people amusing when they insist that the interweb is "not real" thats like saying "I have never been to antartica so it must not be real" granted you have to wear 800 coats when you are there and it is a different kind of experience... not everything on the interweb is real. and it is increasinly difficult to deterimin what is real and what is not real. it is kinda like reading "historical fiction" it is both real and unreal. you have to use your best judgment to figure it out. Muff, if I met you in person would you say the same things you say on line? It just makes sense to me that being sooo abstracted on line from our normal existence, we will be someone (virtually) we otherwise would not have been (in face to face communication). Flame on. yep i am pretty much the same on line as i am in person. I am more indepth with people that i have more intamate relationships with but that doesn't change my snappy repartee. i have met quite a few people who post here. ask 'em. and in person i am cuter and i still tell mikey layton that i love him and he is adorable even in person Hey I didn't ask to get intimate. Thanks for the honesty and the great posts.

Hey Tony, I have no kids this weekend and was going to head out into the mountains for some fun. I even considered contacting you. But right now may be the worst avalanche conditions in the last 15 years. I am staying in bounds at a ski area and I will still be careful. Outside the areas there is deep unconsolidated snow ready to slide. Once it does start sliding, its force will probably dislodge that 18 slab layer sitting 6 ft deep right now. That slab layer is sitting on hoar frost (think ballbearings). Once those slabs get moving, you effectively have a meat grinder. If you go up there, don't get on anything steep. Pan Point is probably a serious danger zone right now. Whatever you do, have fun!

Muffy, I'm just an avatar, and this is on line pretend time. Until that unlikely, life-changing moment when you accept Tvash into your heart as your Personal Savior, you need not even think about justifying anything to me. CHHAAA you better be at my personal pubclub at the end of march. we are going rollerskating if porter can find us a rink that serves beer. if you are not there i will be forever pissed and hate you til the end of time Sorry, my policy is to never actually meet other Sprayers in person. I find people amusing when they insist that the interweb is "not real" thats like saying "I have never been to antartica so it must not be real" granted you have to wear 800 coats when you are there and it is a different kind of experience... not everything on the interweb is real. and it is increasinly difficult to deterimin what is real and what is not real. it is kinda like reading "historical fiction" it is both real and unreal. you have to use your best judgment to figure it out. Muff, if I met you in person would you say the same things you say on line? It just makes sense to me that being sooo abstracted on line from our normal existence, we will be someone (virtually) we otherwise would not have been (in face to face communication). Flame on.

Thanks for the break! Nice pics.

Well put.

OK you are right. She's been here for a long time and has it all figured out that posting like she's in a sorority house will get her a happy response. Get a clue.

I do not want to see all spray removed but when we get in the trend of every post, legitimate or not, becoming a battle ground for the locals, or worse yet, we simply alienate some newbie by treating them like a local we don't like, it just doesn't make sense. I often hear people say they don't read or post here anymore because of the amount of bullshit they have to wade through to get to useful information. The web site has bills, so I've heard, and they pay those by advertising. It helps get more money for an ad to run if you have a higher volume of posts. We drive a lot of people away. Tony.Henly and Drasurius are two examples of people who took a lot of shit for being new. They seem to be sticking around but I know may who just didn't think it was worth it. On the bright side, I climb with them because they don't want to post on cc.com for partners.

Hey Tony, just an FYI; for every asshole posting on this site there are two or three decent people reading who might be worth hooking up with. Hang in there and climb.

That is true. I don't think I would even go there 500 times. Have fun! But not at Rainier. It pays for skiing and climbing for three of us. Oh, toilet paper too. Exactly what I was wondering when you dissed me for recommending Rainier.

I searched on the thread a few days ago and found it. But I don't have time to search it again. But I apologize for saying you hate Rainier. You actually just said there were a lot of better places to go and you had been up there 500 times and so I shouldn't go up there for my 20th time nor should I recommend it as another person's first time. At least not for skiing. But you were drinking then. Two Fecks. What a nightmare.

Whoa! 70's retro. Sorry but I didn't like it the first time. Cute model though. Followup BG?

You have a lot of work to do. I wouldn't let my 10 year old read most of my posts. But thanks for moving it and not just locking it!

I'll take the crampons if they are still available.

No room for error on this site. Maybe she just thought she was talking to some people who might be able to help her and posted here before researching it much. What a ...... Yeah well, if she hangs out on this site long enough, she will be cool and jaded like you.

I'll take the jet boil PM sent

Fairweather, you and I are obviously on extreme ends of the political spectrum. But here is one that applies to all of them, "anyone who wants the job should be automatically disqualified". I don't care which president you point at, he had some boners to cover up.

No. I feel worse as each day goes by and he is still president.

When Olivia was 1.5, I caught her doing a hand traverse on the mantle from her slide. She was after her big brother's hand-made mask that he was loath to let her touch. She was not to be denied for long.

March is early depending on the year. So far this year, it has been record snows so be very careful assessing the avalanche danger. CC.Com is harsher than usual these days so take them with a grain of salt. Getting old and saggy sucks. You might consider asking the moderators to move this thread to the Newbies forum. There is supposed to be no spray there.

George may go down with the worst record ever for a president. This person needs a job. This individual seeks an executive position. He will be available in January 2009, and is willing to relocate. (Please don't skip the last section!) RESUME GEORGE W. BUSH 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington , DC 20520 EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE: Law Enforcement: I was arrested in Kennebunkport , Maine , in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available. Military: I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam . College: I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader. PAST WORK EXPERIENCE: I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in Midland Texas , in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas . The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas . ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS : I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power a nd oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union . During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America . I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money. I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history. With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida , and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President of the United States , after losing by over 500,000 votes. ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT: I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record. I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week. I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit i n U.S. history. I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period. I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues. I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. 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I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history. I garnered the most sympathy ever for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history. I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind. I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. Citizens and the world community. I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in wartime. In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends. I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security. I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD. I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice. RECORDS AND REFERENCES: All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view. All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. I specified that my sealed documents will not be available for 50 years.