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Bob McIntosh was a Squamish doctor beaten to death by a group of Squamish youth at a party.

the worst flight I ever had was a 747 converted to 1/2 cargo, so only 1 toilet. It originated in Delhi, 10hrs later I joined the original passengers in London. 4hrs later the toilet overflowed. 6hrs later I could breathe again when the doors opened in Vancouver.

I don't understand why the need to try and shift some blame onto the 3 washingtonians. Regardless of what words they may have said they shouldn't have been beaten up or threatened with a knife, or vandalized. Each side of the story is biased but they agree in essence that it was a one sided fight with property damage to only one party. This thread is funny to me because it exposes the wacky ideas that some americans have about canada. Like that it is a uniformly peaceful safe place, or that the RCMP should be some Dudley-Do-Rights who "always get their man" ... that is a hollywood fantasy. ... if this incident makes you stay away from Canada, well

I think this thread ran its course. Time to start a new one. I suggest a trip report from your upcoming adventures with the fabulous people you met through cascadedat...uh cascadeclimbers.com!

two friends of mine died this past spring. I chose not to attend the large essentially public memorial that was held soon after, and I don't regret that decision at all and none of my friends thought less of me for doing so. At a later time another smaller group gathered again and for me the extra weeks prepared me to deal with the experience in a group situation. Everybody's grief schedule is different I think. But I think whether you do or don't want to go to a memorial service is a different question from what activity you would pursue during the time of the memorial. Among many non-climbers the act of climbing, especially solo climbing is viewed as an extremely selfish one. And for you to declare to your friends that you would rather spend the memorial time climbing alone rather than being with them and sharing ... well of course that looks selfish and disrespectful.

It is used with a chest harness, and the modification makes it self feeding supposedly, without sawing off the flap you would need a hand free to help the rope along. I have used an unmodified Gri-gri with no chest harness for solo aiding (you don't specify aid or free?). I don't recommend it, but in some circumstances it is fine. In others it is not. for me that's not so much device dependent as situational. Are the wind and the terrain going to conspire to f*$^ you over if you let the rope hang? I don't like the idea of carrying the rope with me for example in a backpack because I don't want it to get involved around my neck if I fall. YMMV

hey sparky! I sent the whole thing. And it was 15 minutes of my life I will never get back.

The Jigsaw Flow at Neat and Cool is the worst waste of time contrivance that was ever bolted. Someday I will chop that route so that no-one else ever makes the mistake of climbing it. Stupid squeeze-job PoS . I suggest you all take a jiffy marker to your Squamish guide and excise this route completely.

I am an experienced "F!@#@$King top ropers!"-deterrer . I combine high-volume vitriolic epithets with burning angry glares and sub-breath Tourette's-style grumbling to create a crag atmosphere most "F!@#@$King top ropers!" find uncomfortable. Proven Results! Even on tenacious "F!@#@$King top ropers!" species like the Mountaineers - just ask erik my services can be rented at a very competitive rate ... PM for details. ... other services include dealing with "F!@#@$King Dogs at the Crag!", "F!@#@$King Screaming Kids!", and "F!@#@$King Sport/Trad Climbers!" (whichever is situationally appropriate)

makes me wonder how many quit the sport when the relationship ends. hope maryk finds what she is looking for

cool, good job . Which route was this? doesn't sound or look like the Kain route. Mt. Louis is a big mountain and a fun adventure for sure!

uh yeah, that was my point . so don't be so surprised when people start asking for confirming details. ever hear of chicken little? dunno what you jokers are battlecaging about.

anyone looking for a cover-up misunderestimates the Canadian capacity for self-loathing. Our media gets off on this kind of story, if they miss out on this latest story they will be so trask do you feel defensive about something? I didn't mention any names and don't even remember who started those threads. I just remember they were all based on falsehoods.

Only very foolish people take everything they read on the internet at face value for truth. Some people think it's fun to start threads about having just lost their job when they haven't, or about the US bombing Saudi Arabia when they aren't, or about being a hot chick looking for climbing partners when they're not. There's a difference between skepticism and cover-up. I would still like to know what campground this was at, so I can strike it off my list of places to stay.

Same as I said before, that I doubt the truth of this story. Is it so impossible for you to believe that violence CAN exist close to home? I say carry a hickory pick handle in the backseat and watch Eastwood in "Pale Rider" before you leave. squamish youth violence #1 squamish youth violence #2 Squamish is a small town with many bored kids. Usually these 'events' get pretty heavily publicized with much community hand-wringing. I, like others have said, have so far heard nothing about a violent incident involving 50 teenagers in a Squamish park campground recently. I hope you have a good trip up Greg, I think you will find most people very friendly and welcoming. But if you feel threatened by anyone hit first and hit hard, I am sure you know how

and I can't tell you why because I would just start crying and I don't think you would get it anyways....

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Textile Outfitters I am sure there are other sources also ....

I heard that it was just people caught by the weather?

succinct version: ROUTE CLOSURES ~ June 28 to July 31, 2003 Closed Climbs: Clean Corner, Negro Lesbian, Sports Illustrated, Crap Crags, Cloudburst, Slow Dyke, Sea of Tranquility, Illusion, Getting Down on the Brown, Planet Caravan, Warriors of the Wasteland, Western Dihedral (4th pitch and above) Grand Wall is not on the list. Bellygood is not on the list.

now that canada has started down the road to legalizing marijuana ... I hope the IOC follows suit and opens the fully stocked medicine chest to all the 'athletes', just hand out those steroids and amphetamines like pixie sticks baby! Let's see just how far we can take this freak-show ... I want carnage! imagine the new medals tote board: "gold silver bronze heart-attack coma paralysed" ... its a whole new dimension to international competition ... wheee! the Blo-lympics rot no matter where they are held. institutionalized child abuse

dude! leave some rock up there for the rest of us who still want to go climb that PoS! harsh jibbing. you chopped the same rope AGAIN?

from the sound of it you just gotta drive around town looking for the short bus ...

that bit of tubing and clamps and webbing holding his computer onto his wheelchair was made by my dad. ... fully approved for all Xtreem Sprots.

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