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HEY CHUCk! ... WHAT DID YOU CLIMB?????

ok one cheese samwich then

I have no weekend plans .... I will ropegun at WA Pass in return for 2 cheese samwiches

take off crampons when you don't need to be wearing them (metal conducts heat away). Stand on foam pad or balance on heels like a penguin to get toes out of the snow. wiggle toes with each rest step. Nepal X-Treems are pretty warm boots if they aren't so tight to inhibit circulation. Sometimes a thick footbed and thin socks will be warmer than the stock footbed and thick woolies.

Those people have nothing to do with this route or with Kris though. maybe reading comprehension is not a strong suit here?

I've seen people use bicycle inner tube patches and barge cement. If it is just a little hole worn in the leather go ask a cobbler how much it'll cost to sew a reinforcement patch on. I would think it would be way less than $40 to patch the leather. It doesn't have to be pretty.

the top part of Crap Crags is right at the end of Bellygood and it is super loose. There are other chimney tops along the rim there too, eg Clean Corner. I have climbed Crap Crags and I would do it again, it has some quality monkeying. It is not very alpine though, don't you have to be above treeline for it to be 'alpine'?... it's just bushy and loose. Andy Cairns has done it too.

hohoho ... jokes about rape and murder are always kneeslappers ...

5.10 shoes left at the base of Seasoned in the Sun. very stinky with felt pen drawings on 'em now at Valhalla Pure Outfitters (next to IGA) fo yo pickup

well, I was hoping that if you had good enough weather to fly in then it would be nice for you to climb all week. Although I was more hoping that the weather would have been too crap to fly in the first place . Let's all go next year.

I don't mean for this to sound like an admonition of people who genuinely HAVE lost everything. But to own a home and live in the Okanagan (to own a home anywhere for that matter) and not carry insurance to cover fire losses displays questionable judgement to me. I suspect that actually most of these 250 unfortunate families do carry insurance and in the end have only lost irreplaceables like photos, sentimental things. I heard that with the donations pouring in, the benefit concerts etc. that the home losses due the Kelowna fire are already covered with surplus. Contrast to people getting car-burgled. I have looked into getting insurance to cover my gear since so often I am carrying several thousand dollars worth in my vehicle at once. I found that I could be covered up to $1500 under a household policy, with something like a $500 deductible, but a rider beyond that had premiums of something like 15% a year. I am sure there are other policies out there, but put in terms proportional to insurance coverage for a house that is pretty steep? In any case, most people don't insure their camping equipment, and if it gets stolen I don't think Cher will hold a benefit concert ... so it's gone and no recompense. My ultimate point? ... it's apples and oranges. BRING ON THE RAIN!!!!!

shark jump:

To me the most fundamental level of credibility comes from being up front about your name, rather than anonymous. I am not implying any generalities about who should pay for bolts. The site specifically lists sport crags in Cheakamus canyon and indicates it concerns new sport routes. I don't see the connection to re-fitting remote multipitches in Darrington. I don't know about WA but in Vancouver and Squamish there are well established bolt funds that have sponsored re-fitting of bad bolts, the credibility of these funds comes from their association with the businesses and organizations that collect the money, MEC, Valhalla Pure, Climbers Access Society etc. I have heard of one person, who has done lots of re-bolting in addition to new routes, who was denied bolts from the fund because it was suspected that he was using them to put up new routes rather than re-fit pre-existing ones. The distinction between new sport routes and pre-existing routes with bad bolts is pretty clear I think? I have never heard of people soliciting funding for their new route activity before, so it caught my interest and I thought maybe some people on this board might have some funny or thoughtful rants about the topic, but obviously from the number of responses it is the big So What? ... so what.

You have hit on exactly what struck me matt, the self-indulgence. This "Meingh.com New Bolt Fund" is not a maintenance or bolt-replacement fund. Essentially they appear to be asking to be sponsored to put up new sport climbs. I have read the figure of $50(CDN) to properly kit a typical 25m sport route. The cost to some extent forces people establishing new routes to be more thoughtful about how many bolts they will put in. Whether sport or non-sport you can usually tell when a first-ascentionist has put some thought into how they have developed the route and usually the well planned routes provide a better climbing experience. (speaking of local routes in particular that require lots of scrubbing and pruning in addition to possibly fixing hardware). I looked around to see if they had any names of this "...group of individuals responsible for a good portion of the new route development in Squamish." and found nothing. So to me it reads no different than the guy on the side of the highway with the "Need money or job" cardboard sign. There's no background credibility to the request and I am stunned and amused by the egotism of it.

no these are private individuals putting up sport routes. Murray's fund pays for replacement of existing bad bolts and also more importantly Murray's Valhalla Pure 'bolt' fund pays for the toilets in the Smoke Bluffs parking lot.

I don't know whether to or "New Route Fund"

first aid section of the drugstore. iodine tincture.

chemicals from the Army? probably had saltpeter and speed in it too

Arnold quote-of-the-day: "Gay marriage is something between a man and a woman" I hope this guy wins ... he is fun.

There was a short paragraph in the Province today (print version). The driver of the car crossed the centre and was killed. The occupants of the semi were uninjured.

you could look into the pole for the Mountain Hardware Kiva too ... it's infinitely adjustable with a little camming washer widget system so I think it would probably work with the 'Mid. Maybe they sell a replacement for cheeper than BD is offering?

you're gonna be famous!

dude, it is not 'nothing'. Every accident is something. Every accident sucks. And every accident warrants sympathy for the victims and those who were on scene and shocked by what they have seen. this isn't a topic to chestbeat about who has seen the most carnage.

hangover? it's 5:30! time to start again. hair of the dog

bye dru and AplineK. I hate you both and I hope it starts raining in one hour and continues for 10 days straight.