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Yes, accurate. Same as with slab-climbing. But once the ice (or rock!) starts tipping to vertical and beyond....thank god for upper-body strength!

Super-cool pull-up workout I just started: Take 75% of your pull-up rep max, meaning if you can do 12, then choose 8. Do a set of 8, rest 2 minutes, again do your 8, again rest 2 minutes, and repeat for a total of 4 sets. I found it to really start burning by the 3rd set, and actually couldn't complete it until my 4th workout (2nd week). Now my goal is to complete the 4th set, and then bump my reps and start working up again. This seriously feels very beneficial for any type of climbing where endurance or power-endurance is an issue. I find it to burn in a similar way as when I'm taking my red-point burn on that crack that pope bolted; I think it's called R.O.T.C. or something? But seriously, this seems like a really good workout. Have fun! BTW, I worked out my pull-up swing issues. It was just a matter of coordination! Thanks for your input, to all who replied.

goldang it. a sisu-suomi who doesn't speak finnish! did you grow up speaking it? parents speak it?

Terve, Suomalainen! Osaatko puhua Suomen-kielta?

Nice story, freeclimb9. I didn't realize parasailing was so dangerous. Nice lead quote on your home-page, btw! I fully agree!

Originally quote by Figger Eight: "'Another reason to paint bolts bright colors.' Maybe long streamers and flashing lights should be attached to them as well?" Hey figger eight, don't you think that's kind of overkill? I think just a nice bright color would do the trick; that way we don't need to go overboard with unnecessary attachments to the rock.

I was on a route once, up at Banff it was, at Lake louise. Fun place. Well, I was on a route, climbing higher and higher, and I started wondering a little bit about what was going on 'cause I hadn't clipped a bolt for probably ten feet. So I looked around, and it was then that I noticed: I had gone right past my last bolt, WITHOUT NOTICING IT! The bolt was silver, and blended into the rock, making it almost invisible. (Another reason to paint bolts bright colors.)I couldn't reach back down to it safely, and the next bolt was probably like another 5 or 6 feet above me. Well, I decided to go for it, just run it out, and see what happens. So I started climbing, and I made it! Man was I happy. I was pretty pumped, but I managed to clip the damn thing, and it was right about there that I almost decided to just quit climbing completely, but I decided actually to continue to climb, and I have done just that, although still it is scary sometimes. So that is my contribution to this epic thread.

Erik: my car has been making a funny knocky sound, kinda like kukukuku when I'm in fifth gear. It's an '87 Mazda B-2000 pick-up with 210k. What can I expect to happen next, and anyone (BTW) want a truck for cheap? Quite serious here. It's got a nice canopy. And in the same vein, any cars for sale out there? Preferably a Subaru wagon.

You've been skipping out on your Anger Management homework again, I see. Time for a time-out, little guy.

Oh Caveman, I was wrong! They DO let troglodytes into school nowadays! How's kindergarten treating you?

Alright now, Bonzo. Just remember, nice troglodytes lick! Now that's a GOOD Bonzo....

Where did Caveman go? Is he frustrated and throwing rocks in his cave again? Or perhaps visiting www.dictionary.com ?

I rest my case.

But alas, I did forget: troglodytes can't count! (They're not too good at spelling, either. www.dictionary.com )

Hello Caveman! I believe that Bonzo is most certainly having more than ONE crisis.

True, but one isn't needed. "Dork" works well enough.

Aright alright Bonzo, we will refrain from giving you further identity crises; from now on, Bonzo is Bonzo. How fitting. Now will you please behave yourself? Or is it Bedtime already? And I'm sure my adam's apple is about as high as you can reach, Bonzo; but your height does put your mouth in a rather strategic location....

You are tying your little brain into knots, trying to understand things which the brain of a troglodyte was simply not meant to understand. The conceptual thought-processes that characterize homo-sapiens did not begin to develop dramatically until long after your extinction. Yet, be comforted by the fact that you are quite an anomaly; against all odds, you are here. And, you are not alone! A further testament to perseverance! The hippie love-fest is going swimmingly, as always. Love is another difficult subject for troglodytes, no? But I trust you can learn....

Oh Bonzo, oh Caveman (or should I say Caveman and Caveman); silly children. How amusingly you cavort in your ignorance and folly. I trust you have already made your vasectomy appointments? The world of the sane awaits confirmation.... [ 11-16-2001: Message edited by: sexual chocolate ]

First of all, let me apologize to mtnrgr for my comment about Rudyard Kipling. It was a bit cutting, I'd have to say. And secondly, it has become quite obvious that people will believe what they want to believe, and for most, this is non-negotiable. It certainly seems apparent on this thread. At this point, it has become too much of a chore to keep responding to individuals whose only interest is to keep trumpeting their own prejudices and (violent!) tendencies! Yes, we have now successfully moved into the "all protesters are bad", "college campuses are breeding grounds for liberals", and even "beat up the protesters" realm. How truly enlightened and refreshing! But also eye-opening. I can honestly say that I had NO IDEA that such recalcitrantly violent jingoists actually existed in the climbing community. I realize that this topic stirs up passion, but when people actually started making physical threats against individuals they disagree with, well, it blew my mind. I am actually starting to think that perhaps Rush Limbaugh is really a nw climber masquerading as a talk-show host. I guess I got the answer to my original question, and then some. Hey, and that's ok. I learned some stuff. Thought about some things differently. Developed some respect for a few individuals and where they are coming from. And finally, I came even more firmly to the conclusion that violence is not the answer to any problem. The proponents of violent responses seem to be quite violent themselves, so the cycle just seems to perpetuate itself ad nauseum. History shows this to be true, for anyone willing to look. Luckily I have seen alternatives to violence in my own life, so perhaps this gives me the ability to respond differently than perhaps some others. So, as I sign off from this thread, I wish all of you peace and happiness in your lives. My prayers are with you.

mtmrgr: Rudyard Kipling wasn't a fool; your quote from his works as suggestive of support for your aggressive reactivism would have him turning in his grave.

Captain Caveman: Do you have any pictures of Fossil Rock that you could post? I'd like to see the area; and maybe others would too. Anyone have any?

I tried to find fossil rock once; found a big boulder with rocks and plastic screwed on. Is there more, and where is it? I walked out the dirt road until I saw the big bolted boulder on my right, down in the gully. Where's the rest, and is a winter visit worth it? Anything stay dry?

Panther: do you think that all opposition can be effectively wiped out by employing a scorched-earth policy? Will not the opposition eventually respond in kind, or can a global police-state be effected, there-by squelching rebellion before it can happen? Just curious as to what you think.

Just teasing, caveman. True, I wasn't there. And no, trask, maybe that seemed like pot-stirring to you, but I meant it. I guess that's the price I pay for being a smart-ass sometimes; my motives are always questioned. But the soap-box post was sincere. And dwayner: I don't think it's nice to mock a discussion by calling its participants "arm-chair quarter-backs". These sorts of things need to be discussed, I think; I think discussion can help everyone in hashing out ideas and perhaps learning something we didn't know before. You should understand this, ESPECIALLY if you are an educator. I know that this discussion has had that effect on me. Only by opening myself up to new ideas and opinions can I question my assumptions, and come to understand things anew.