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Err... I'll step out on the proverbial limb here - I think there is no way those frontpoints are made of aluminum. My common sense would be seriously offended if they were. Did you try chewing on them? I did a couple minutes worth of rooting around on the web and although the Petzl site is almost as bad as the Arcteryx site, all the web gear shops claim the material is "tempered nickel chrome molybdenum steel". But they do look like the frontpoints are different than the rest. Incidentally, ever heard that your tent poles are "aircraft-grade aluminum"? Other-than-lightweight crampons are made of military-grade steel... same stuff they use to make the guns to shoot planes down. No stepping on the tent

Dwayner, you're just catching flak for this need of yours to constantly remind us that you think sport climbing sucks. It's a little old, that's all. You used to make some pretty darn funny posts and I still read whenever I have time, but it's no fun when it's all predictable... enough of the preaching already As for my earlier post, let me try to explain a little better. What I meant was that sport climbers, especially younger ones that just haven't really had the opportunity to try any other kinds of climbing, might be intimidated from using the board when the prevailing attitude is so blatantly hostile. In fact most of the people I've met on the board will happily clip bolts, but the loud words on-line are all anti-sport. I think that kind of (possibly unintentional) intimidation is uncool, although I'd happily agree to disagree about that with you rather than carry out some lengthy debate. I've even got an example! I was bouldering at the UW rock a couple of days ago and spent some time sending problems with this 15 year old kid. Since he's recently moved here I told him about the bboard, along with the UW climbers' mailing list, since both are a good way to meet climbing partners. Considering that the gear for alpine and trad costs big $$$ I'd think it would be rather hard for most teenagers to adhere to the whole sport-climbing-is-neither mindset. Shoes, harness, helmet and belay device alone will set you back a couple of hundred, right? Throw in rope and quick draws and you might be going on half a grand. Kind of steep, eh? And we didn't even touch on how much more complicated learning to climb trad is in comparison with bouldering or clipping bolts. I'm a student myself and it has taken me years to collect the gear that I need to organize trad/alpine trips on my own. Now that I have it I go without clipping bolts for months at a time, but I don't have anything against sport climbing - I've just found something else that's more fun and aesthetic to me. It's a fucking privilege to be able to to trad/alpine, not something to constantly rub other people's noses in if they aren't doing it. Anyway, I know you're not going to change your mind or anything and I don't think you should, but you sure could find something else to rave about for awhile. Feel free to slam me back but I've kind of said my peace here so I'm going to leave the thread alone. Cheers/Stefan

There is jolly good bushwhacking right next to many WA sport climbing areas. Feel free to hop right in. Or you can do like a buddy of yours who bushwhacks through Ravenna Park on the way to school, apparently for fun.

Oops... Idea Guy came over for a visit, spent some time on cc.com, and then I didn't notice that he was stilled logged on to the board when I wrote the pack-for-sale post above... Anyway, if you're interested in the pack PM me, not Idea Guy.

Hey, nobody said 2 days was cooler than 6. No reason to go all hostile. I set out to do it in 5 days but we got stormed on the second day and bailed back out the same way. I'd like to try it in 2 days. It would be way fun - it's just seriously cool to cover so much ground, plus it's nice to find out whether you can actually pull it off... After all, the weekend warrior only gets so many chances for 5-6 day trips in the season, but 2 day trips can be pulled off more easily

Get a life Whiner. You too Poop. You're hardly succeeding in reducing the numbers of sport climbers, although you may successfully scare away some kids who might otherwise use the board to carry out some fun conversations about sport routes and stuff. There is nothing wrong with sportos. If you don't want to sport climb, then go ahead and don't sport climb. Just leave the rest of us alone to make our own choices for crying out loud.

quote: Originally posted by Gary Yngve: quote:Originally posted by Dru: quote:Originally posted by Greg W: quote:Originally posted by Dru: CLINT EASTWOOD as FRED BECKEY "What?" I was thinking Yoda from Star Wars. "A lightsaber was used for safety" Now, Luke, to destroy the Death Star, you're going to have to locate the obvious gully...Use the force, Ray. There is no try.

Hey, that was a really cool coincidence to run into you at Triumph last Saturday bcraig. How did your trip go? Did the weather stay decent Sunday?

Darth Dru?

Sounds like a nice, mellow plan. Bring a mosquito net. There was a problem bear in the area recently so hang your food and take bear spray if you're into that. Have fun.

Your turn, tell us what more there is to your workouts...

We got rained on a little bit below Triumph on the way out, early Saturday evening, but not enough for anything to get wet... just a nice refreshing drizzle. It sure looked nasty east and south of there though!

Good one, RURP I guess the discussion is all about relative suckyness then...

Yup, that's me, I absolutely don't get that part. The gym's full of plastic. It's not even close to the real thing, although you can easily get pumped, get a workout, whatever. If you positively can't stand the concrete, stick to the rocks. If they aren't rock-like enough for you, go to the gym. If getting pumped is no problem, and your tendons get all sore, what part are you missing from the workout? Enlighten me, because I'm really curious. I didn't intend to get into defend-the-rock mode here, the biggest reason I like it so much is that it's the only option I have for climbing in my lunch break, on the way home from work, etc. I'd love to have time to drive out of the city for a 1 hour session, but seldom do.

The UW rock is great... talk to the other people, be inventive, if you can't get pumped down there then you're either superhuman or not trying hard enough. Paying for a gym membership in the sunny season seems like a waste of $$$ to me, it's plastic for crying out loud.

Oh, hey, forgot... what's the warranty on Gore-Tex VBLs? Like parkas (lifetime) or like boots (limited)? If it's lifetime than you can buy a pair and if you wear out the membrane you'll get a new pair.

Magic trick #1... remove the insoles before going to sleep, stash them on top and close to your body. Magic trick #2... Ditto for socks and make sure you have two pairs so you always have a semi-dry pair at the end of the day for sleeping. The pair you're not wearing as you sleep gets stashed like the insoles. Magic trick #3... once boots, socks, insoles, feet are all wet, you're kinda screwed... The boots or plastic boot liners won't dry out in the field. If you have to hike around with wet boots, dry your insoles and socks and then put plastic bags on over the socks. The boots will continue to be soaking wet, your socks will also be soaking wet as soon as you start to sweat, but the water on the inside of the barrier will be warm and the water on the outside will be cold. Someone that remembers their thermodynamics better than I do can pipe in and explain what ways of heat loss are eliminated as the liner prevents the water on the inside from mixing with the water on the outside... whatever it is it's the fasted way of heat conduction. That's why the vapor barrier liners work, not because they keep you dry - they don't. Anyway, this scenario is what you wind up with when it's pouring, when hiking through marshes, or when spending muchos time on snow in warm weather. I don't really have any experience with extended trips in very low temperatures. I have done short trips though and as long as it was cold enough I have had no need for VBLs. (a) The snow is really frozen, so it's not melting and getting into your boots; (b) it's really cold, so you're not sweating as much. Better make sure you're paying attention to that though, if the weather is really cold and you're going to be out there for awhile you simply don't have the option of getting super sweaty - you have to regulate your pace with the entire duration of the trip in mind. But, I guess the idea behind using VBLs in very cold weather is like somebody said - keeping the boots dry. It works at the expense of your feet, your feet will always be soaked if you wear VBLs. This is a completely different situation than the "oops it's raining everything is soaked scenario..." Don't forget that baby powder [ 08-25-2002, 11:51 AM: Message edited by: fleblebleb ]

Belay biner + reverso. Not fancy stuff, just in constant use...

quote: Originally posted by pindude: In Spokane in the past, we would pick a person to carry out the "group bag," someone who made themselves worthy of it. We now have each individual carry their own out, but we have a marked or wanded common area where people can do their business. Huh...? I'd heard the Spokane way was a variant of the smear method, pick a worthy person and everybody smears on that individual.

Lickitysplit

Stupid 60 second flood control thingy

Dammit

Snuck in...

I usually try to suppress any memories of golf that may pop up

A buddy used to do that in the middle of town when we were teenagers. *Smack* off goes a golf ball across a whole block, over a cliff and onto the asphalt on the neighborhood childrens' school soccer/basketball area. Scary... lucky nobody got killed. Actually, come to think of it I did see somebody catch a golf ball in the head after a drive - the ball didn't bounce or anything like that, just hit the guy full on and knocked him out. Don't think there was any serious damage - just a golf ball-sized bump on his head