Peter_Puget

...last weekend?

Read this on the might BBC: BBC Link Here is a source I can recomend! Good Ole USA Let's Go Climbing! PP

Minx In French perhaps? It's proper name Lemonade!

I would suggest the good ole BBC which has earned the nickname Baghdad Broadcasting Corp.! Of coure the NYT is also a nice source for you Allison. Last week I posted references where they misrepresented what Gen Wallace said; what I didn't post was how on a frontpage story they claimed Cheney said the war will be a "cakewalk" only to correct it later because it was in fact complete BS. Allison how often you look in the correction section when you read the paper? By the Way Trask is right about LD! Let's go climbing! PP

Damn Evil Amerikans! Afghanistan (2001-2): The LA Times found "a civilian death total of 1,067 to 1,201" from US attacks. Kosovo (1999): Human Rights Watch found that "Some 500 Yugoslav civilians are known to have died" from US attacks. Bosnia (1995): A Harvard Kennedy School of Government working paper (link in PDF format; HTML version here) found that "The war resulted in the deaths of about thirty civilians." Gulf War I (1991): Human Rights Watch declared themselves "reasonably confident that the total number of civilians killed directly by allied attacks did not exceed several thousand, with an upper limit of perhaps between 2,500 and 3,000 Iraqi dead." Panama (1989): Human Rights Watch reports an estimate of 300 civilians killed. All of these deaths are tragic, but they are by no means a bloodbath. In fact, the death toll from all these conflicts combined is probably less than the number of people who would have died from starvation had the US not invaded Afghanistan. All of them combined are probably less than the number of people Saddam would kill this year if left in power. Now I would ask interested readers to review a thread where J_B was spewing forth facts and figures related to Israel-Palestine conflict. I noted and produced references showing how the “press” J-B uses have consistently proven themselves shameless in it overstatement of deaths - both civilian and military. Who knows what the final toll of this conflict will be but whatever the results J_B will prefer those “claims” which support his before the fact thought process without regard to the Truth!. Let’s climb! PP

How much snow is at the higher elevation crags? I am thinking Bob's and higher.

I believe in the larger sizes axle width is a very important factor in placement stability and the tendency to walk. With respect to this factor BD cams are clearly inferior to Friends. You raise a good point when you mention the double axle design and tipped cams. BDs are the one design where "cam stops" (in BD case the other axle) are a real advantage. For other cams the cam stops only work when the cams are working against each other.

Larger BD do walk and are inferior to the large Friends. One thingto consider if you are building a "mixed" rack is how the sizing of the different brands compares. For instance DMM, Clog and Friends all have the same sizing. PP

More on media bias: A quote from earlier in this thread by Ade: "The enemy we're fighting is different from the one we had war-gamed against," says Lieutenant General William Wallace Now check this out: From the NYT: A front-page article on Tuesday about criticism voiced by American military officers in Iraq over war plans omitted two words from an earlier comment by Lt. Gen. William S. Wallace, commander of V Corps. General Wallace had said (with the omission indicated by uppercasing), "The enemy we're fighting is A BIT different from the one we war-gamed against." But check out this finessing the quote in the same NYT issue as the correction: link “The debate over the use of computer simulations large and small was sharpened when Lt. Gen. William S. Wallace, the commander of the Army V Corps based in Kuwait, remarked that the guerrilla-style resistance of Iraqi militia groups made for an enemy that was 'different from the one we war-gamed against.' The current situation in Iraq, some critics say, may highlight the problem” The quotation marks make the quote legit but also misrepresent what was really said. Check out this Google search indicating how widespread this misquote has become. Google Search PP

In the giddy spirit of the day, nothing could quite top the wish list bellowed out by one man in the throng of people greeting American troops from the 101st Airborne Division who marched into town today. What, the man was asked, did he hope to see now that the Baath Party had been driven from power in his town? What would the Americans bring? "Democracy," the man said, his voice rising to lift each word to greater prominence. "Whiskey. And sexy!" PP

Isn't the Tieton closure limited to only some of the cliffs? PP

Posted a few Crags pics in the gallery

Wall - Think a 165 foot rope would go from the Iconoclast corner to the ledge? What about 150'? PP

I can tell you have me figured out. For example you knew that I must be addressing you in the post you called gibberish despite logic indicating it was addressed to Alpinek! Pure genius! PP

SC You goofball that was addressed to Alpinek! PP

SC Quote: "..[spew spew]...let me simply ask what your enlightening post might add to this perfectly civil discussion we are having, pray tell?" SC - Sometimes it is enough to merely bring light into the darkness! PP

I get it you were just mocking her personally. Even worse than political mocking you had no motive except the fun of personal insult. PP

Alpinek - Were or your buddy the avatar "Kathy"? An avatar which specifically mocked a real person (dead) known to many on this site. PP

OW - Just to be clear I wasn't going off on her (Corrie) at all. BUT I was pointing something out to SC. Sometimes his BS spew inspires me to respond mostly because he seems to feel superior to others and think himself as some kind of saint. The others are just spewing trying to hook a fish. PP PP

SC In spite of the best intentions she was a pawn being abused by others who in the final account don't give a damn about her. Here is a nice link that shows how her death was merely the beginning of a spin cycle. The link also fit into my recurrent theme of media bias. Her death is a tragedy. Link

Here is a thread for you! Link PP

SC - You're a day late and a dollar short. Read toda's NYT editorial. NYT Link When the viscerally, uncompromisingly anti-Bush Times pooh-poohs the notion of a military miscalculation, then the media tide must surely be turning. Long live the FOX! PP

Cool. Did he say when it will be out? (Gotta start saving now) Let's see how many Lattes will I not buy to pay for it? PP

Erik - Right On! PP

Well I did say his guide was good didn't I! PP