Peter_Puget

Larger BD do walk and are inferior to the large Friends. One thingto consider if you are building a "mixed" rack is how the sizing of the different brands compares. For instance DMM, Clog and Friends all have the same sizing. PP

More on media bias: A quote from earlier in this thread by Ade: "The enemy we're fighting is different from the one we had war-gamed against," says Lieutenant General William Wallace Now check this out: From the NYT: A front-page article on Tuesday about criticism voiced by American military officers in Iraq over war plans omitted two words from an earlier comment by Lt. Gen. William S. Wallace, commander of V Corps. General Wallace had said (with the omission indicated by uppercasing), "The enemy we're fighting is A BIT different from the one we war-gamed against." But check out this finessing the quote in the same NYT issue as the correction: link “The debate over the use of computer simulations large and small was sharpened when Lt. Gen. William S. Wallace, the commander of the Army V Corps based in Kuwait, remarked that the guerrilla-style resistance of Iraqi militia groups made for an enemy that was 'different from the one we war-gamed against.' The current situation in Iraq, some critics say, may highlight the problem” The quotation marks make the quote legit but also misrepresent what was really said. Check out this Google search indicating how widespread this misquote has become. Google Search PP

In the giddy spirit of the day, nothing could quite top the wish list bellowed out by one man in the throng of people greeting American troops from the 101st Airborne Division who marched into town today. What, the man was asked, did he hope to see now that the Baath Party had been driven from power in his town? What would the Americans bring? "Democracy," the man said, his voice rising to lift each word to greater prominence. "Whiskey. And sexy!" PP

Isn't the Tieton closure limited to only some of the cliffs? PP

Posted a few Crags pics in the gallery

Wall - Think a 165 foot rope would go from the Iconoclast corner to the ledge? What about 150'? PP

I can tell you have me figured out. For example you knew that I must be addressing you in the post you called gibberish despite logic indicating it was addressed to Alpinek! Pure genius! PP

SC You goofball that was addressed to Alpinek! PP

SC Quote: "..[spew spew]...let me simply ask what your enlightening post might add to this perfectly civil discussion we are having, pray tell?" SC - Sometimes it is enough to merely bring light into the darkness! PP

I get it you were just mocking her personally. Even worse than political mocking you had no motive except the fun of personal insult. PP

Alpinek - Were or your buddy the avatar "Kathy"? An avatar which specifically mocked a real person (dead) known to many on this site. PP

OW - Just to be clear I wasn't going off on her (Corrie) at all. BUT I was pointing something out to SC. Sometimes his BS spew inspires me to respond mostly because he seems to feel superior to others and think himself as some kind of saint. The others are just spewing trying to hook a fish. PP PP

SC In spite of the best intentions she was a pawn being abused by others who in the final account don't give a damn about her. Here is a nice link that shows how her death was merely the beginning of a spin cycle. The link also fit into my recurrent theme of media bias. Her death is a tragedy. Link

Here is a thread for you! Link PP

SC - You're a day late and a dollar short. Read toda's NYT editorial. NYT Link When the viscerally, uncompromisingly anti-Bush Times pooh-poohs the notion of a military miscalculation, then the media tide must surely be turning. Long live the FOX! PP

Cool. Did he say when it will be out? (Gotta start saving now) Let's see how many Lattes will I not buy to pay for it? PP

Erik - Right On! PP

Well I did say his guide was good didn't I! PP

His user name is "Viktor". It is easy to look him up via the user list. I have sent him info before and in addition to making a super great guide (maybe the best guide in the region) he was always nice even when I said his rating was wrong! PP

Did you provide him with a better rating? If not, it still might not be too late. PP

If the route is only a rap route (that is, harder than 5.9x to lead) then I sure as hell hope there's no chance of getting a rope hung up on the pull. Could those bolts below the OS splitter (I seen 'em last time I was up there DBer) be used to climb the RPM pitch that leaves from Two-tree Ledge? Has anybody reading climbed that pitch lately? These bolts are directly below the splitter crack? Don’t know anything about them. Maybe someone was scopping a new route and not installing a rap route. In any event these are not part of Edge of Space. Point five, if it really was done by the DDD person at about the same time, what gives? Did that guy just get a new drill (at that time) or what? Time to go "improve" some 40-year classics! What ego! Are we talking Edge of Space or another route/rap route? See my earlier comments. Point six, Edge of Space looks cool. Is it really hard? Is it all sport bolted 'n shit, or death-if-you-fall territory or somewhere in between? Edge is a good route. Mildly scary (5.10) getting to first bolt and runout after the third to the anchor. If the second falls at the crux - there is a good swing potential. Last pitch is a bit intimidating because of the location. I suppose some falls could end up over the edge. You are definitely above the bolts on this pitch too. Maybe 5 bolts on the pitch which is long. Fun for the second because the chances of swinging over the edge. PP

"one about 30' below the splitter on OS. " Is there really one there?

Up to the Mole and Yellow Jacket Tower! Don't forget Midnight Rock!

Szy - Think big. A new road and parking lot. Think of the car shuttle from the top of IB to the bottom! PP

I am impressed that you can be so open with your thougths! Such self-confidence I wish I had. PP