To_The_Top

It always amazes me when people get mad when you want to turn around on the big R, I remember a friend that I climbed with that was mad when we turned around, we can't turn around he said, so I played back by going to Ingraham Flats, during a whiteout and winds that would knock you down, he was stunned at the first crevasse we saw that was 20 feet deep. After he climbed Rainier on his own, he thought I was crazy to go to the flats....I just laughed. That was summer too. TTT

Them Mounties 10 essentials never match mine.....

AlpineK, You are not thinking about going to the Muir hut this weekend and choke out Dan?!. Are you? TTT

Nice Photos!

Just got back from Sweden, another land of Saunas, they do some creative things, but the Finns sound like they have a corner on the sausage cooker. Was up in the winds at Granite mtn, and wish I was in a sauna. TTT

Dan, Go with 36", the 24" ones are too short and the 48" are hard to manage in most packs. Also, IMHO go with a dark color, like the dark green ones, and for the flag use red duct tape, this will stay on better. In a whiteout you want something to contrast the white background. Take alot of wands, placing every rope length or so. If it is a whiteout on the way back, snowing (filling in steps up) you can send out the lead person and fan out to find the next wand, while the last person keeps the first wand in sight, like in somecases 20'. Size dosen't matter, it is how you use it. TTT

Flebebeb! Dats mi vote Dem is fightin' words in Chumstick.... Duh

Listen to W, he knows his stuff on this one! Have fun

If you don't like crowds or other people (teams) on the route or don't have the "ten essentials" haha don't be on the north face of Chair dec 15 or in Leuthold Couloir on feb 23-24th. I don't like it when clubs think they own the whole mountian, and from past experiences they drop a lot of stuff.

Like Plexus said better than I, someone soloing is less a problem as far as dropping crap down on you, verses a TEAM that drops wayyy more. I think that those guys were outta line based upon your side of the story. I can't imagine that they didn't let you pass at the break, I don't understand why they would get upset, but then again I haven't been on the route. As far as the previously mentioned climbs, I was just saying that it is a hazard at certain points, not on the whole climb. B

epb, Ya, I've seen those guys out leading the big climb, with all the stuff hanging from their harness, having their say. It depends around here, if it is safe to pass or if it creates a hazard. I would pass someone without a doubt on Mt Baker Colman-Deming or Hood on the South side, but would hang back on say Liberty Ridge on Rainier or the North Ridge on Baker, unless I took a totally different line, or passed them at a break. If it doesn't create a hazard, then they are getting pissed because they have the 10 essentials and then some, and you are racing by in a t-shirt and running shoes with instep crampons. I just laugh it off, but then again they usually don't catch me in the parking lot later. It isn't totally about the solitude here, unless you are on a route that is very remote. B

epb, I don't know the climb on Washington, and what the hazards were, other than avalanches, or rockfall. Mt Wa. is a big magnet for the masses, and when there are several people on a route, someone is going to get passed. Putting aside any danger, maybe they got pissed about the fact that they got passed. I have had people get pretty mad about this. I have run into this on solo climbs and roped climbs here in Wa. (state). Lately, if I am in this situation I will try to hold back and pass them when they are taking a break, or strike up a annoying conversation with the person in the back, then pass. I have also been passed on climbs here, and I think that most people just let a group pass, no remarks. This is of course, on routes that are not too technical. I will even go around a crevasse a different way, and maybe get a reply saying I went off trail. Oh well the Mountain police are everywhere.

quote: Originally posted by JERRY SANCHEZ: ANYONE UP FOR SI???? What route?

I have definitely seen coyotes in the cascades, but you are right, I have never heard them howl. I have heard them in the Olympics, and east of the pass, but never here. TTT

quote: Originally posted by haireball: I absolve you from your sins in the name of the leader, and of the follower, and of the holy belayer. For your penance, write 1000 times "thou shalt not cut switchbacks". Take the list to your local copy shop and have it enlarged so that you have 1000 legible signs, then take the signs and distribute them to appropriate points along the Mt. Si trail. Then go your way and sin no more... Are you really Pope, or just a priest? If so drink the sacremental wine!

Scott, The guy that wrote the email may have been the old guy you see up there pounding down the rocks on the trail, or sometimes he prys rocks out with a screwdriver to make the trail "smoother". He always cringes when JERRY marches by in his plastics. I have taken several of the way trails....they are all over, and go far away from the main trail, a guy that I hike with sometimes has shown me them. He has been there over 2000 times. I don't like it when people cut the switchbacks though.

If they want to make it wilderness on the south side of Hood, then they should yank out the ski area too. All that light pollution, noise pollution...requiring skiers to pay to go there. There is even a way you can get a ride up and start the climb higher.

HarharHARHAR HAHAAHHAHAHHAHA WHO SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE FUN WITH SPRAY!

quote: Originally posted by Dan Larson: You have nothing to complain about . Have you all forgotten about ME. Ya gotta admit I TRULY deserve a little air time here . After all haven't I earned it? Where you abused in a previous life?

Freshies!!!!! Stevens Pass opening tomorrow! Freezing level 1000' for the next couple of days. Freshies go freshies... Don't mix your drinks Sean

Holly, I do believe that Petrie was one of the names of the people on that trip. You were right about the downside of them calling off the search. I remember being at Tim's house the night the press called and asked how we felt about the search being called off (news to us)....DUH. How did they think his two children felt about it...AHoles! The good thing about it all is volunteers showed up nearly every day. That includes CLIMBERS who never knew them and local Church members who brought food every (almost) day for the climbers. They ended up being found near the trailhead. I was not there that day, due to previous obligations, that I had dogged previously due to searching. It was amazing who showed up to search, some even in helicopters (in the sky anyway).

They should have called big Lou when two friends where stuck on Lib Ridge a few years ago. My two friends and the two NOLS instructors stuck for 10 days had to show the S&R the way down from Muir, or that is how the story goes....By the way, I hear that King County S&R is a different breed from those of the other mentioned counties. [ 11-26-2001: Message edited by: To The Top ]

Why don't you start a Portland branch of the Pub Club? Just suggest it and they will come.

Panther, My family hired those two guys that were professionals at my request. I have known these guys for a while, and have been taught some by both of them. The search&R in charge had good intentions, and we were not satisfied with their McHales Navy approach, so I took it upon myself to put in some help. We were surprised at how many climbers who just showed up because they heard about the missing three. One of the S&R people commented how dangerous it was there, appearantly he fell into a tree well. duh Yah maybe a professional group can start, as long as they take into account what local climbers have to say, those that know the terrain. The S&R group didn't have a care what local climbers said, or hikers for that matter. We knew that the pros didn't get any info from S&R, which even more confirmed that we needed the pros. I know of climbers turned around last year on Baker

HEY RECRIMINATORNOBODY SAID NO POT (for the most part), IT WAS JUST AN ISSUE ABOUT DOING IT OUTSIDE VERSES INSIDE. EVEN SCOTT SAID OUTSIDE IT WOULDN'T BOTHER HIM. quote from recriminator:"Get some balls stand up for what you believe in ,this is the USA where the rights of the few USED to be just as important as the rights of the many ,the gays stood up for there rights and gained FREEDOM" Go back to fighting for indoor smoking at work and planes.