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If they want to make it wilderness on the south side of Hood, then they should yank out the ski area too. All that light pollution, noise pollution...requiring skiers to pay to go there. There is even a way you can get a ride up and start the climb higher.

HarharHARHAR HAHAAHHAHAHHAHA WHO SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE FUN WITH SPRAY!

quote: Originally posted by Dan Larson: You have nothing to complain about . Have you all forgotten about ME. Ya gotta admit I TRULY deserve a little air time here . After all haven't I earned it? Where you abused in a previous life?

Freshies!!!!! Stevens Pass opening tomorrow! Freezing level 1000' for the next couple of days. Freshies go freshies... Don't mix your drinks Sean

Holly, I do believe that Petrie was one of the names of the people on that trip. You were right about the downside of them calling off the search. I remember being at Tim's house the night the press called and asked how we felt about the search being called off (news to us)....DUH. How did they think his two children felt about it...AHoles! The good thing about it all is volunteers showed up nearly every day. That includes CLIMBERS who never knew them and local Church members who brought food every (almost) day for the climbers. They ended up being found near the trailhead. I was not there that day, due to previous obligations, that I had dogged previously due to searching. It was amazing who showed up to search, some even in helicopters (in the sky anyway).

They should have called big Lou when two friends where stuck on Lib Ridge a few years ago. My two friends and the two NOLS instructors stuck for 10 days had to show the S&R the way down from Muir, or that is how the story goes....By the way, I hear that King County S&R is a different breed from those of the other mentioned counties. [ 11-26-2001: Message edited by: To The Top ]

Why don't you start a Portland branch of the Pub Club? Just suggest it and they will come.

Panther, My family hired those two guys that were professionals at my request. I have known these guys for a while, and have been taught some by both of them. The search&R in charge had good intentions, and we were not satisfied with their McHales Navy approach, so I took it upon myself to put in some help. We were surprised at how many climbers who just showed up because they heard about the missing three. One of the S&R people commented how dangerous it was there, appearantly he fell into a tree well. duh Yah maybe a professional group can start, as long as they take into account what local climbers have to say, those that know the terrain. The S&R group didn't have a care what local climbers said, or hikers for that matter. We knew that the pros didn't get any info from S&R, which even more confirmed that we needed the pros. I know of climbers turned around last year on Baker

HEY RECRIMINATORNOBODY SAID NO POT (for the most part), IT WAS JUST AN ISSUE ABOUT DOING IT OUTSIDE VERSES INSIDE. EVEN SCOTT SAID OUTSIDE IT WOULDN'T BOTHER HIM. quote from recriminator:"Get some balls stand up for what you believe in ,this is the USA where the rights of the few USED to be just as important as the rights of the many ,the gays stood up for there rights and gained FREEDOM" Go back to fighting for indoor smoking at work and planes.

The boy was found the last I heard (ok but with hypothermia). My cousin (step) was missing around Christmas a few years ago, and it was all over the local news. I went in to help find him (Mt Index) after a big snowstorm, and mountain climbers who never knew him or his two friends where showing up to help. They never said no to the help, and many parties showed up to volunteer. In the end his best friend, best man at his wedding, and brother found them at the base of a avalanche fan three weeks later. The news crew and local search and rescue group had a ton of trouble finding them. It was too late for them, but they never said no nor stopped anyone from helping. The Search and Rescue group said it was too dangerous to search, but we found it to be normal conditions there. Thank goodness they found this boy, and too bad the S&R turned down a offer of help from locals that knew the terrain.

Amen Snow-muncher on that last comment. I was the first into the hut, and I too didn't think of the others (didn't smoke) and didn't care at the time, but yes, it can offend others. We all go into the mountains to get away from the crap down low. No one that climbs is a evil person in my opinion. PS Scott is a cool guy, really! [ 11-24-2001: Message edited by: To The Top ] [ 11-24-2001: Message edited by: To The Top ]

The Marmots I saw were taking acid! not drunken.

MN- My climbing buddy took too much acid and tried to tell me the Smurfs were really aliens! He was telling me he saw them come out of a spaceship.

quote: Originally posted by lambone: Put the bong down when you type Bill! I wish I had a bong after what Scott said....no I am glad I didn't have one. I was there, and AlpineK is cool, offered me bud--thanks, but no thanks, so is Scott, or the others that were there. It is too bad that we can't all enjoy the mountains just the same. We all go there for the same reasons, but just express them differently. I admit that when it comes to typing it doesn't come across as effectivly as when said in person Bone.

What I hate the most are those idiots who throw their cigs burning in all out the car window On going to the Tetons last year the burnt grass (no relation to the potters out there) on the side of the road past Boise was embarrasing where they told you to call 911 for fires, that obviously scorched the side of the road every 50 yards!Put them out and avoid the $550 fine! Shit! I got into it with a "volinteer firefighter" who put one across my car in rush hour traffic. Talk about job security. [ 11-12-2001: Message edited by: To The Top ] [ 11-12-2001: Message edited by: To The Top ]

Not being a pot user, Sometimes people who hate pot hate it not because they have "Virgin Lungs", but maybe they hate it for other reasons, like maybe something to do with the past, and have left that far behind. One of my friends Dad's was a pot user (very heavy) and he has zero respect for him now. He hates pot, and anything associated with it. It is not just the burning of the eyes, it is a whole life in the past. I don't hate pot, but I don't like it either, and I am sure that Scott wouldn't mind if it was done outside, it was cold and a little windy there on saturday, I think that it was just it being in the hut, an enclosed area. If I was a smoker I probably would have gone outside, but I didn't go outside and didn't smoke. Just because friends don't like smoke don't assume that they are Lilywhite and that is why they are strongly opposed to it. Also the handicapped bathroom was almost as good as the hut, and it was the only bathroom open....man those tax dollars!

Yes, that is Roman, He usually has a Tyrolean hat on, and he is Mr. Mt Si (Italian: "mounta see"). He is out there when it is crappy while the young are sitting there playing the Gameboys! Usually he is on the backside of Si, which is the same route that Jerry takes his plastics on.

One thing about older climbers is they have a ton of stamina. Being in my mid 30's, sure the 20's can beat me to the next ridge, but most stop there, while I go on. My first Rainier in a day was with a 60 year old guy that was tough. I think it is attitude backed up with endurance, and I don't think that 60 today is anything like 60 forty years ago. It actually gives me hope about doing this 20 years from now. Bronka is one tough lady, and a good resource for weather beta.Another friend who is 74 goes up Mt Si all the time, he is slowing down a little, but he has been up there over 2000 times...sorry JERRY, you don't hold the record in your plastics. [ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: To The Top ]

MN-- These were not Seattle cops! They are ok and I climb/scramble with some of them. These are Issaquah cops, and yes, there was traffic control there. Issaquah has more SUV's that fight for parking/line spots very aggressivly, and it would require a cop to maintain the peace. The Issaquah police are bored, and troll the p-lots for criminals in their spare time....just ask my old roommate (aressted!)--they should work and try to catch those Tiger Mtn breakins---a couple of miles from Krispy Kream. PS--if you worked at Dunkin' Donuts, no wonder!

from Broncos qoute: On the way home, I went back to Krispy Kreams thinking it certainly would have cleared out by now, to find still and hour wait. Bronco: JERRY and I went there at 11:15 and the police told us it was an hour plus wait (drive thru), and I asked him what the longest it has been since the opening: he replied "six hours!"...In the distance someone yelled the cops should have free donuts....Reminds me of the beany babies and cabbage patch dolls....why didn't you save me one JERRY! PS nice meeting you all. [ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: To The Top ] [ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: To The Top ]

Raise the back a little to make room for the side pipes and traction bars. Also the naked girl mud flaps.

What about Bellingham? They have a good program at WWU, and you wouldn't have to pay the out of state tuition fee.

Went up Granite Mtn today, saw snow at 3000' (wet), and once to the high point for us at 5200' there was atleast 18" and drifts over 2 feet. Oh yeah, the sun was out. Anything above about 4500' seemed to not be melting @3pm. Winter is coming. Bill

Uncle Tricky, Man I had the same thing happen. I talked to those infantry guys, they were really drunk. Yes I went to the wedding reception too. I went to the other place, and bummer, I missed the group, there were only a few there, and I missed them. Back to the other place and I sat at the bar and ate a burger. I should have gone back to the other place! I'll go to the next one. Sorry I missed it. Bill

Scott, did I see you (in plastics) with Scooby the crack (rock that is, not drug) sniffing dog on friday that totally wet day on Mailbox? TTT [This message has been edited by To The Top (edited 10-24-2001).] [This message has been edited by To The Top (edited 10-24-2001).]