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Glorious. Christ. What am I doing in this desk job....

No, if you read my entire post in context you'll see that I advocate self-governing. Not a police state governed by powers that be. As for other comments, I agree that user numbers have dropped in many areas and road washouts only contribute to that trend. I think it's a great trend.

Page-HOP Okay Dru, then you can bring your worst stout in September if that makes you happy. Whatever you like. This reinforces my theory that Canadians don't make good IPA, and don't appreciate it when they get it. It's an acquired taste, for sure. Took my Canadian wife awhile to learn the miracle of the hops as well... Meanwhile, as for finding obscure IPA's like the one John mentioned, try BOTTLEWORKS on 45th Ave...they have a lot of everything, and many I don't see anywhere else...I have seen the Dogfish 120 in there before in the past... Bottleworks - 1710 N. 45th Seattle, WA

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Great photos. The rock up there looks great! ???

Is this from the Mark Twight school of climbing ethics? Carry gear 'til you need it then abandon it once its purpose is served? Are you being facetious or are you serious?

Thanks for all the great participation in this most important thread! Somehow I forgot about TG IPA...and I agree with many of the other suggestions as well. I say when the Brouwer's Hop-Fest (62 IPA's on tap) goes down in September, that we show up en masse. Dru, you can bring your grapefruit if you want to. BE HOPPY

Not sure about current conditions, but I imagine you saw this thread already... LINK'

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good question. Self-governed is usually best (vs. police state). That's why I brought this up, to foster the question of self-selecting (as Kearney did in his guidebook) before posting such things...

Okay, here's my list so far: On-tap #1) Boundary Bay Imperial IPA #2) Rogue Imperial IPA (available at brewpub in Issaquah) #3) Elysian Jasmine IPA #4) Bridgeport IPA #5) Boundary Bay standard IPA Honorary Mention: Stone Brewing - Ruination IPA (from California) What else ya got for me???

Fair enough, Off. And Access Creek is a good example of your point. But if I'm overstating the risks, could you perhaps be understating them? Are there NO places that you'd prefer to see un-mapped or un-publicized, or do you think that all information shared is good information shared? I appreciate the function and beta-aspect of this site very much, but wonder if ALL areas need to be publicized.

Thanks to Off White for demystifying the "Big Brother conspiracy theory." Perhaps we can move on to another aspect of this debate: Should all parts of this wild and challenging wilderness area be mapped out and shared online, or not? Clearly there are different opinions on this -- Tom appears to be at the end of the spectrum that believes in open exchange of information. There are others that think that wild places should remain more in the realm of adventure and discovery -- or even, preservation. I'm sure Fred Beckey, for example, has many places he has been or wants to go which he hasn't put in his guidebooks. I know that Alan Kearney intentionally left certain areas out of his books because of his concern for how publicizing these areas would impact the wildlife and plant-life there, for example.... Is this selfish of these people to want to minimize knowledge of the areas? Perhaps....but do all areas need to be demystified? I am not talking exclusively about the Agnes Creek approach to the Chickamin, I am talking more as a general principle. I personally have mixed feelings on this topic. There are places that I believe should remain terra incognita. Once something is in the public domain, access increases and human impact also goes exponentially up. On the other hand, who doesn't appreciate learning a much better or more efficient way of getting somewhere wonderful (like the "Dave's Direct" deproach from Joburg that became well-publicized on this site awhile back). In the end, though, I would rather see wild corners of the range STAY wild and un-published...do we really want all the wild places to become crowded with well-worn trails and permits for use???

I like the way that rc.com divides forums up and has a separate accident/analysis forum. That would be great for cc.com. The Climber's Board is pretty wide open in terms of topics, a blessing and a curse....

Ahh, if only all TR's could be this concise....and precise....and useful! But maybe instead of heading the North Cascades, everyone should consider going to California...or Idaho....or maybe Ohio???

The flake pitch on NW Corner is much harder than the dreaded offwidth corner above, which has LOTS of face features, rests, and is super well protected. The off width on NW Corner is considerably easier and less strenuous, in my opinion, than that on Backbone Ridge, which is very sustained, steep, wide, and otherwise featureless... The NW Corner is one of my favorite routes at WA Pass.

Cool!

This is an absolutely hilarious, well-worded, witty trip report. Nice pix and good job on the route! BTW, I have heard similar complaints about this route from lots of aid climbers....never done it myself. Probably never will...but you never know....

See insane article at THIS LINK I saw a play in Ashland, OR called "Up" I think about a guy who does the same thing...Could this have inspired the Oregon guy??? Nuts....

Hmm...the rock (in the pix at least) looks not bad. I've heard the main reason to avoid this route is due to the rock quality. Would you agree? Would you do it again (ever)???

For the LIEBACK PITCH (p1) on gendarme, some smaller cams would be useful, as I recall...there may be some fixed gear on that pitch too...

Hey Rad, Do you mean the obvious crack about 10-15' right, visible in the photo? Or another one? I agree that the one Trogdor climbed is steeeeep and pretty strenuous -- feels like sustained 5.9 -- tough with a pack full of boots, ice ax, crampons, water, etc... I remember Beckey and co. descending the route when they climbed the E Ridge -- maybe they climbed it without carrying all their stuff up?

Hmm..hopefully the old trail is there if you know where to look for it. Perhaps more traffic will reveal it again. Nice work on the route. That steep 5.9 handcrack pitch is GREAT! Sounds like you had the gear you needed for it. We didn't have nearly enough large cams when we grovelled up it a few years ago...but it's an amazing pitch in the mountains! We also epicked a bit on the descent...All in all, a very long and committing Grade IV route, I would say.

Hey Rumr, What part of Muffy's advocacy for personal responsibility are you, uh, uncomfortable with?