ScottP Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 There was an article in SOF magazine ages ago written by a lawyer who defended people in self-defense shooting cases (No, I don't subscribe). It was very interesting. A couple of the things I picked up from it. Buying a large caliber gun is OK provided its not called "the Manstopper .45" as the prosecutor will have a field day making you (an SOF reader) out to be a total nut. If you can shoot then you're much more likely to stop your assailant with a single round which is much easier to explain that a corpse riddled with shells, which again makes you look like a nut. "I was in fear for my life. I thought he had a gun." "I was in fear for my life. I thought he had a gun." "I was in fear for my life. I thought he had a gun." Quote
Ade Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 Which reminds me of a certain high profile case... Maybe there's a novel defence to be employed here. "My client(s) did not mean to kill Mr X. How could they have possibly meant to kill him? They fired 41 times and only hit him 19. These are not the actions of an intentional killer." So maybe the lesson is to be either a very good shot or a very bad one. Quote
Greg_W Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 Yes, Ade, a shotgun is the preferred weapon for home defense. Preferably a pump model. The sound of a shell being jacked into the chamber inside an enclosed space like a room has a distinctive sound and has been know to give would-be thiefs pause. Quote
Ade Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 What sort of round would you load it with? I guess something that would go through a couple of layers of sheet rock but not like ten would be good. I guess that would concern me with a .45 too. Hitting the neighbours kids with a stray round, even if I was fighting off a hord of would be murderers might still get me kicked off the block watch committee. Quote
Greg_W Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 12-gauge with double-ought buckshot. Some people I know load rock salt and have this in the chamber, followed by 00-buckshot in the magazine. The thinking here is that the rock salt will scare them off but won't kill them; if they are wacked out and keep coming you've got some serious ammo behind it to knock them down with. There are some camps that espouse a lighter shot to get a better pattern in the short distance, but I don't think it matters. Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted January 25, 2003 Posted January 25, 2003 Who cares what size gun or type of rounds we like. I'll keep em pointed at most of the people here either way. Quote
Greg_W Posted January 25, 2003 Posted January 25, 2003 (edited) Guns at the crags!!! Bronco and I are going to mount a Minigun position at the top of Godzilla!!!!! Edited January 25, 2003 by Greg_W Quote
captaingreybeard Posted January 25, 2003 Posted January 25, 2003 (edited) If you want to walk away my 44 doesn't leave caseings left for evidence, leaves a big hole and one bullet does the job even through walls or car doors. Run for cover winnie gun toten conservatives there's a liberal packen a BIG GUN in town captaingreybeard Most wheel guns (revolvers) are rather large and don't carry well. They are kind of wide and the hammer catches on clothing. Plus you only have 6 shots. .357 and .44 are for the bedside table. Edited January 25, 2003 by captaingreybeard Quote
captaingreybeard Posted January 25, 2003 Posted January 25, 2003 When a post that is non violent has no direspect for fellow users and only prevokes rational thought gets yanked it can only mean this site does not beleave in freedom of speach and is a click for slected users I would rather be a bleeding heart liberal that beleaves in freedom than a conservative dictator, suppressive of freedom Quote
Scott_J Posted January 26, 2003 Posted January 26, 2003 Greg, BB size shot in a 2 3/4 or 3 inch for home protection is better. At close range it has more shot and does a better job of having no wounded dude in the house just a DOA. Quote
Greg_W Posted January 26, 2003 Posted January 26, 2003 Sisu - how does that compare to the shot-size standards that most manufacturers go by? Isn't buckshot pretty sizeable? Quote
allthumbs Posted January 26, 2003 Author Posted January 26, 2003 00 buck - .33 in (9 per shell) similar to getting hit nine times with a 38 special. bb - .180 in Quote
freeclimb9 Posted January 26, 2003 Posted January 26, 2003 buckshot is amateur style. If you want to kill outright, a bolo round will do it. For light weight, flechette rounds will do as much, or more damage than buckshot (but weigh 1/2 as much). Quote
allthumbs Posted January 26, 2003 Author Posted January 26, 2003 buckshot is amateur style. If you want to kill outright, a bolo round will do it. For light weight, flechette rounds will do as much, or more damage than buckshot (but weigh 1/2 as much). Right , and let's not forget that flechette rounds are very effective against supernatural creatures... especially vampires. BTW, I'm selling some of my toys...interested? FOR SALE -- ONE OF A KIND !!! MK19 Mod3 Semi-Auto Grenade Launcher $28,000 (pending ATF approval) ... serious buyers only, fire a email to: you'reshittin'me@aol.com for details. Quote
minx Posted January 27, 2003 Posted January 27, 2003 Where do i get one of these and/or can i get one of you right wing freaks to sit on my balcony at shoot the creep who keeps stealin stuff outta my jeep? Quote
gregm Posted January 27, 2003 Posted January 27, 2003 Where do i get one of these and/or can i get one of you right wing freaks to sit on my balcony at shoot the creep who keeps stealin stuff outta my jeep? gregW is on his way over minxy baby. he's ALWAYS there for a damsel in distress. Quote
iain Posted January 27, 2003 Posted January 27, 2003 ahh this thread takes me back to my junior high days in detention Quote
allthumbs Posted January 27, 2003 Author Posted January 27, 2003 Well Iain, if you bitch enough I'm sure it'll be pulled. Quote
freeclimb9 Posted January 27, 2003 Posted January 27, 2003 Nailing a thief with a spudgun would unnerve him, and wouldn't you get more satisfaction from dishing out public humiliation. Quote
sk Posted January 27, 2003 Posted January 27, 2003 you know I may not have "class" acording to some... but at least I don't take pot shots at other people to try and make myself feel better about my small penis and low self esteam Quote
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted January 27, 2003 Posted January 27, 2003 Where do i get one of these and/or can i get one of you right wing freaks to sit on my balcony at shoot the creep who keeps stealin stuff outta my jeep? Why don't you quit leaving stuff in your Jeep, Ms. Genius? Quote
sexual_chocolate Posted January 27, 2003 Posted January 27, 2003 An dhow is the good doctor this morning? Quote
Greg_W Posted January 27, 2003 Posted January 27, 2003 Where do i get one of these and/or can i get one of you right wing freaks to sit on my balcony at shoot the creep who keeps stealin stuff outta my jeep? Why don't you quit leaving stuff in your Jeep, Ms. Genius? Shut up, DFA. Minxy, just stay up late one night with a pellet gun. That'll discourage them. Quote
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted January 27, 2003 Posted January 27, 2003 An dhow is the good doctor this morning? Tired, SC. Damned tired at that. Quote
minx Posted January 27, 2003 Posted January 27, 2003 DFA-the only thing they got this time were my chains. No big deal it's just the principal of the thing. The first time i'd had a looooooooong day, fell asleep on the couch and never made it out to clear all the gear out of my jeep. My fault but damn i shouldn't have to worry about that shit. it's my gear! hands off! I don't make a habit of leaving it in there but it's still wrong so stuff it! Quote
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