RIP 9/11

[akhalteke]

Also...please explain how working for the government or military makes your opinion more valid or accurate than someone's opinion who does not?

 

Sure, I suppose if you know people who saw Osama bin Laden alive (and dead) you are no more knowledgeable than people just reading the news. Oh wait! We are all brainwashed by the CIA with their brain wavey thingies!

 

 

Still waiting for the proof kids!

[billcoe]

Still waiting for the proof kids!

 

I got yer proof right here. Maybe not....but I'm leaving the pic up anyway. Hope it moves the conversation a bit and you lighten up on the needless name calling Ak Ak.

 

 

ps, this is Paris, and I got the pic off the net, but did anyone else besides me see the young girls naked, yelling and shaking it by the Rose qtr last night? O la la.

[KirkW]

 

Sure, I suppose if you know people who saw Osama bin Laden alive (and dead) you are no more knowledgeable than people just reading the news. Oh wait! We are all brainwashed by the CIA with their brain wavey thingies!

 

 

Still waiting for the proof kids!

 

OMG! You know someone who saw OBL once! That totally changes my mind about everything.

 

I can assume you did not watch the video then? Even though you keep insisting that someone show you some evidence that doesn't jive with the official conspiracy theory?

 

On an unrelated note...I hiked up Mary's Peak last week and was able to see the ocean with a good pair of binoculars. I guess that makes me a professor of nautical engineering.

[rob]

Kirk, did you watch my video? It's also PBS and refutes the other PBS documentary. Food for thought.

 

So since you're so fast to defend kevbone, let's get you on record: do you believe that OBL was actually killed in 2001, before the attack, that he didn't do it, that explosives were used in the attacks, and that no plane hit the pentagon?

[KirkW]

Rob, Yes I've seen that video as well. It aired April 30, 2002 on PBS. Less than 7 months after the attack. I'm sure that was plenty of time for them to gather all the "facts". It does not refute the documentary that was just released. In fact, the opposite it true. But go ahead and spin that however you want.

 

Did YOU watch the video I posted? You must have seen it all ready since your reply last night was posted less than 10 minutes after I posted the link and it's over 2 hours long. Glad you're staying educated on all sides of the issue! Or you're an exceptionally fast movie watcher.

 

As to your other questions...I'm not going to wade into any of that crap because what I personally believe doesn't matter in the least. What DOES matter is the fact that there is a very long list of unanswered questions and inconsistencies that the official conspiracy theory does not even begin to address and an even longer list of out right lies and distortions that the entire theory resides on. It's not my job, or Kevs or any other American citizen to "prove" anything. How could anyone "prove" anything considering most of the evidence was cleaned up and shipped to china before anyone had a chance to examine it? It's fairly obvious to anyone with at least 2 brain cells that someone was covering up something. What exactly "they" were covering up and who "they" were is something that we may never know. That's not a good reason to stop trying to hold those who's job it is to investigate things like this for the American people accountable. But we have a problem holding people accountable because it's a lot easier to just bury your head in the sand and believe the "evil doers" did it.

 

Believe what you want to believe. Doesn't really make a difference to me. I just thought I'd point out that while you guys are brow beating Kevbone for his views you're also ignoring a mountain of evidence that shows the official story, as read, is bullshit.

 

Carry on. Didn't mean to interrupt your circle jerk.

 

[rob]

Did YOU watch the video I posted? You must have seen it all ready since your reply last night was posted less than 10 minutes after I posted the link and it's over 2 hours long. Glad you're staying educated on all sides of the issue!

 

Yep, I saw that video earlier this month. I've probably seen everything you and kevbone have, my father is a huge "truther"

 

As to your other questions...I'm not going to wade into any of that crap because what I personally believe doesn't matter in the least.

 

Um, it does matter. We're not discussing if there is anything fishy about the official story. After all, there is something fishy about the official Kennedy assassination story, too, but that doesn't mean aliens did it.

 

When someone (like kev) makes crazy assertions like "aliens did it" or that "OBL was already dead and no plane even hit the pentagon," I'm sorry, but you DO have to prove that. It's called burden of evidence. And I'm sorry, but all fishyness aside, a fucking plane hit the pentagon. And I have seen no credible evidence that OBL was actually kiled in 2001 before the attack, or that explosives were used.

 

Questioning things is AWESOME. Making bold claims and then saying that it's not your job to prove them is fucking retarded. It's weird that you would be so quick to defend the latter, since it's people like Kevbone and their crazy, irrational theories that will probably keep any serious investigation away from this topic for a very long time.

 

Coming on here (apparently without reading the thread) and then defending Kevbone's alien and tin-foil hat ideas and then chiding us for asking him to "prove it" makes you look, pretty much, like a giant, sucking anus.

 

Word to the wise!

[KirkW]

Please explain why my personal opinion on this subject matters so much to you and why I'm RETARDED for pointing out that dismissing everything Kevbone has to say is short sighted and close minded.

 

Also please show me where, in this AWESOME thread, that Kevbone claims that aliens did it. I must have indeed skipped that part.

 

It's weird that you would be so quick to defend the latter, since it's people like Kevbone and their crazy, irrational theories that will probably keep any serious investigation away from this topic for a very long time.

 

That's some really interesting logic you got there Rob. If only people would stop asking questions then we could finally get to the bottom of this.

 

I'm sorry for my off topic rant in this very concise and exacting thread you guys have going here. I didn't get the memo stating which points were allowed to be discussed and which are strictly verboten. I'll try to contain the scope of my comments to those that you feel comfortable discussing. Please let me know which specific things we are allowed to comment on and which we should just hide under our tin foil hats.

 

Thanks.

[kevbone]

Scott. Let me ask you a question.

 

Why is it that if I don't believe the official story that equates to pissing on the graves of the fallen? What is your logic behind such a statement?

 

Am I not allowed my own thought process?

[rob]

well, the funny thing is we're actually the ones doing the questioning -- questioning of kevbone's crazy tin-foil hat ideas. Can you please send me evidence that OBL was actually killed in 2001 before 9/11? Do you believe that, too? Do you believe no airplane hit the pentagon? lol.

 

Hey, you know what? Maybe kermit the frog and elmo conspired to assassinate kennedy. Fonzo was the second gunman on the grassy knoll. THe official explanation is flawed, therefore if you don't accept my alternative crackpot ideas as a possibility, you're just close-minded.

 

I like you, you're funny. Like an angrier kevbone.

 

[rob]

Am I not allowed my own thought process?

 

I've been wondering the same thing!

[kevbone]

When someone (like kev) makes crazy assertions like "aliens did it"

 

 

Consider this a personal challenge to find any post of mine where I state that aliens did it. I seem to recall that Ivan mentioned it....but not me.

[rob]

When someone (like kev) makes crazy assertions like "aliens did it"

 

 

Consider this a personal challenge to find any post of mine where I state that aliens did it. I seem to recall that Ivan mentioned it....but not me.

 

It was a reference to the sentence before that one in my original quote, in which I said, "The kennedy assasination doesn't make sense, so maybe aliens did it" or something similar.

 

I know you didn't say that. But the things you are saying are comparable, which was the point I was trying to make by referring to your statements as my previous example re: kennedy and "aliens did it."

 

Pop quiz: What I did there, is that an analogy or an allegory?

 

:kisss:

[KirkW]

well, the funny thing is we're actually the ones doing the questioning -- questioning of kevbone's crazy tin-foil hat ideas. Can you please send me evidence that OBL was actually killed in 2001 before 9/11? Do you believe that, too? Do you believe no airplane hit the pentagon? lol.

 

Hey, you know what? Maybe kermit the frog and elmo conspired to assassinate kennedy. Fonzo was the second gunman on the grassy knoll. THe official explanation is flawed, therefore if you don't accept my alternative crackpot ideas as a possibility, you're just close-minded.

 

I like you, you're funny. Like an angrier kevbone.

 

I see that since I haven't posted my own personal opinions and ideas that you've made some up FOR me. Nice work! Perhaps the Romney team has an opening? They could use a few more guys like you.

 

I'm still waiting on that list of allowable spray topics...?

 

[rob]

So you defend kevbone's crazy ideas, chastise us for questioning them, but don't want to be painted with the same crazy brush? Make up your mind, dude.

 

Allowable spray topics? On the contrary, I don't think anybody wants kevbone to shut up. I don't, I think it's hilarious.

[kevbone]

 

 

I know you didn't say that. But the things you are saying are comparable, which was the point I was trying to make by referring to your statements as my previous example re: kennedy and "aliens did it."

 

They are hardly comparable.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

Well, I guess these beat your usual pics of dead kids.

[olyclimber]

[video:youtube]W8qcccZy03s

[tvashtarkatena]

Say what you want about Bone, but he's pretty good at getting a bunch of folks wrapped around an axle.

 

Given that tens of millions of Americans believe the world will end within their lifetimes and such, it seems to me that Kev is just exercising his patriotic duty to make the world a more interesting place.

Edited September 20, 2012 by tvashtarkatena

[billcoe]

It plays well in Iran. It was right next to a story titled "Israel root cause of all world problems: Iran envoy" from Iran’s Ambassador to Beirut Ghazanfar Roknabadi. ALL the worlds problems he says. I don't see how the Israelis can not slam these guys to the mat before they get another genocide attempt by these hatemongers.

 

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/20/262683/israel-seeks-iran-war-to-keep-lid-on-911/

 

Almost every politically-aware person on the planet is puzzled by Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu's bizarre obsession with Iran. Netanyahu is risking his political career, his reputation, and Israel's future by intervening in the US presidential elections.

 

 

He is using all of Zionism's considerable might - including organized crime assets like “Las Vegas Godfather” Sheldon Adelson - to force Obama to attack Iran; or, failing that, to make sure that Obama is defeated by the Zionist puppet Romney. There are even rumors of Israeli-sponsored assassination attempts on Obama.

 

Even the rabidly pro-Zionist Jewish Daily Forward has editorialized:

 

“It’s difficult to recall a time when an Israeli prime minister has inserted himself into a presidential election campaign in the way that Benjamin Netanyahu has. It’s even harder to recall a time when a trusted ally openly urged the American president to undertake a questionable, unpopular and highly risky war. We sure hope Netanyahu knows what he’s doing, because the stakes for him - and for the two nations he professes to care about the most - could not be higher.”

 

The Jewish Daily Forward has good reasons to wonder whether Netanyahu knows what he's doing. The editorialist cites polls showing that the American people strongly oppose attacking Iran, even if war breaks out between Iran and Israel and only US intervention could save Israel! These polls show that American voters no longer give a damn whether Israel, which has chosen to live by the sword, finally dies by the sword. As Dave Lindorff observes, Netanyahu's mad obsession with pushing the US into yet another unwanted war for Israel “may have fundamentally undermined the long-standing 'special relationship' between the US and Israel.”

 

And still Netanyahu continues on this seemingly suicidal course. He even orders the Mossad and its CIA assets including Gladio veteran Terry Jones to unleash a rabidly anti-Islam film, spammed into the faces of every Muslim on the planet via millions of dollars of computer server time and intelligence agency expertise - an obvious attempt to fan the flames of Islamophobia and pave the way to a US war on Iran for Israel. Obama, who is on record saying he hates Netanyahu and that Netanyahu is a liar, and who knows that Netanyahu manufactured the “Innocence of Muslims” crisis to try to get Romney elected, responded by refusing to meet with Netanyahu in New York, and going on the David Letterman Show instead. A more blatant snub could hardly be imagined.

 

So, what in the world is Netanyahu really up to? Does he actually believe that Iran has a nuclear weapons program, even though the CIA has certified that it does not?

 

Of course, he doesn't really believe such nonsense. Even hard-line Israeli strategists admit that Iran appears to be only developing nuclear expertise, not actual weapons. Furthermore, Iran has not attacked another nation in centuries.

 

Since the “nuclear crisis” is a hoax (like alleged Iraqi WMD in 2003), then what is the real reason for Netanyahu's Iran obsession? Is it the Iranian government's support for anti-Zionist resistance groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, and its calls for an end to Zionism through free and fair elections?

 

Perhaps. Iran's open commitment to principled anti-Zionism represents the nearly unanimous position of the people of the Middle East, who have never accepted the genocidal Zionist entity as a legitimate state. Israel has been able to bully every other government in the region into shameful silence. The Islamic Republic of Iran will not be silenced. Threats to level Iran with bombs seeks to send a message to future Middle Eastern governments: Do not give a voice to your people's resistance to Zionism, or else!

 

But while starting a war might seek to punish Iran for its anti-Zionism, such a war would carry terrible risks for Israel. In the impossible event that all goes well for Israel on the battlefield, the suffering of the people of Iran would probably shame the world into turning against Zionism even more sharply than the world turned against apartheid in the 1980s.

 

But there is no guarantee that things would go well for Israel on the battlefield. Iran has the capability to riddle Israel with rocket attacks, or even to take out Israel's Dimona nuclear facility and perhaps render Israel and much of the surrounding region permanently uninhabitable. And Israel does not have the capability to seriously damage Iran's nuclear energy program without US help. If the US intervened on the side of Israel, Iran could shut the Straits of Hormuz, and possibly sink many, if not all, of the ships there with Sunburn missiles, driving gasoline prices over USD 10 a gallon and paralyzing the world economy. Additionally, Iran has the capability to massively attack the US bases that surround it, killing thousands, if not tens of thousands, of US soldiers. A US president, especially one who dislikes Netanyahu and puts America's interests ahead of Israel's, would be very unlikely to help Netanyahu attack Iran.

 

 

Given that a war on Iran is an all-loss proposition for Israel, why is Netanyahu fanatically fanning the flames of war, to the extent that even his American Zionist cheering section is baffled and embarrassed by his behavior?

 

Some question Netanyahu's intelligence, arguing that he is just a furniture salesman who has been promoted far beyond his level of competence. While there may be some truth to this - I certainly wouldn't want to overestimate Netanyahu's intelligence - I don't think he's quite that stupid. I think Netanyahu has a very good reason to prefer war with Iran, despite all its risks, to peace. I think he does know what he's doing.

 

Netanyahu needs the 9/11-triggered 100-years-war on Islam to continue for the very good reason that if it does not, the State of Emergency still in place in the US will be lifted, and Americans, unencumbered by the National Security restrictions of wartime, will quickly learn what really happened on September 11th, 2001. That possibility poses a very real existential threat to Israel - and to Netanyahu.

 

 

As Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Strategic Studies at the US Army War College, told Press TV: “I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at the Headquarters Marine Corps, and I have made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period. If Americans ever know that Israel did this, they are going to scrub them off the earth.” And even if Israel were “scrubbed off the earth” peacefully through a one-state solution, Netanyahu would certainly hang for his role in the 9/11 attacks.

 

Unfortunately for Netanyahu and Zionism, Dr. Sabrosky isn't the only US National Security insider leaking the truth about 9/11. A very large number of military and intelligence people have come forward.The two biggest recent leaks are revelations by CIA asset Susan Lindauer that the CIA had detailed foreknowledge of 9/11 and attributed the controlled demolitions of the three NYC skyscrapers to “those goddamned Israelis”; and the assertion by Gwenyth Todd, who worked beside Richard Clarke on the National Security Council, that Clarke (who was publicly fired from an earlier job for being an Israeli spy) is the top suspect as hands-on controller of 9/11 from the US end. Yes, you heard that right: Richard Clarke's colleague on the National Security Council, Gwenyth Todd, suspects Clarke of masterminding and running the 9/11 attacks. If Todd and other high-level sources are right about this, Clarke's book title Your Government Failed You is an understatement.

 

Some of the same high-level sources who point to Richard Clarke as the US boss of the Israeli-instigated 9/11 false flag operation also claim that President Obama, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Dempsey, and other powerful Americans are considering exposing the truth about 9/11 during a second Obama term. In other words, Obama's re-election could put Israel out of business, and get Netanyahu hanged from the nearest lamp-post.

 

No wonder Netanyahu is “overplaying his hand” by doing everything he can to get rid of Obama. And no wonder Netanyahu is desperately trying to throw gasoline on the “clash of civilizations” fire and trigger war with Iran. A huge Middle East war, no matter how destructive, would maintain the wartime State of Emergency in the US and impeded the inexorable revelation of America's biggest state secret: That American traitors, including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George W. Bush, Richard Myers, and others, helped Israel blow up the World Trade Center, bomb the Pentagon, and kill 3000 Americans on 9/11.

 

KB/HMV

Dr. Kevin Barrett, a Ph.D. Arabist-Islamologist, is one of America's best-known critics of the War on Terror. Dr. Barrett has appeared many times on Fox, CNN, PBS and other broadcast outlets, and has inspired feature stories and op-eds in the New York Times, the Christian Science Monitor, the Chicago Tribune, and other leading publications. Dr. Barrett has taught at colleges and universities in San Francisco, Paris, and Wisconsin, where he ran for Congress in 2008. He currently works as a nonprofit organizer, author, and talk radio host. He is the co-founder of the Muslim-Christian-Jewish Alliance, and author of the books Truth Jihad: My Epic Struggle Against the 9/11 Big Lie (2007) and Questioning the War on Terror: A Primer for Obama Voters (2009). His website is www.truthjihad.com.

[ivan]

i love a good protest ...

[akhalteke]

Scott. Let me ask you a question.

 

Why is it that if I don't believe the official story that equates to pissing on the graves of the fallen? What is your logic behind such a statement?

 

Am I not allowed my own thought process?

 

I see all you can do is deflect, but this was meant to be a memorial thread and your insinuation is that the government did this to their own people. I am sure it would be much less palatable to the people's families than some ragheads with a grudge.

 

Now, some proof?

[akhalteke]

Kirk, your video provided some hmm moments but nary a smoking gun could be found. The onus is on the ones that purport that the 'official story' is false as: 1) The converse is ludicrous, and 2) The investigation was closed and nothing form the interwebs has come close to "debunking" anything substantial.

[KirkW]

Kirk, your video provided some hmm moments but nary a smoking gun could be found. The onus is on the ones that purport that the 'official story' is false as: 1) The converse is ludicrous, and 2) The investigation was closed and nothing form the interwebs has come close to "debunking" anything substantial.

 

Glad you watched it. I agree that it may not be the "smoking gun" but it raises several solid questions that deserve answers. It's not up to me or the American people to answer those questions. That responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of the government. After an event like this and the way it was used as justification for our invasion, the U.S. Government owes it to the WORLD to answer these questions.

 

I'm not the only one that feels this way..

 

This week, Judge Imposimato stated publicly in writing that 9/11 was just like the “strategy of tension” carried out in Italy.

 

I'll also agree that if I actually had a theory I believed that I should have to support it with some sort of solid evidence. I don't. I haven't a clue what happened that day. I know the official story doesn't make any sense. It reads like a (bad) B movie other than the part where no one gets laid in the end.

[KirkW]

Thanks for posting that Bill.

 

I found the article to be rather eye opening. I guess we'll see what happens. I'm surprised that this hasn't been more widely reported. Actually, I'm not.

[ivan]

I know the official story doesn't make any sense. It reads like a (bad) B movie other than the part where no one gets laid in the end.

i don't get how it does't make sense, brudda? - as mentioned way back there in the beginning of this bedraggled whore of a thread, the "official story" has AQ already making a large # of attacks on the usa over a period of years prior to 9/11 (including on the WTC, and receiving missile strikes in afghanistan from us in response) - so 9/11 doesn't come out of a clear blue sky - a # of intelligence reports hint in the weeks and months ahead of a possible attack using planes - a buncha homeboys get on airliners all taking off about the same time w/ simple weapons - pilots n' crew, used to hostage taking terrorists, don't put up much a fight - crazy mother-fuckers crash into symbols of The Great Satan's economic and military might

 

that doesn't make sense (beyond the fact that it's some shit a well-fed, well-fucked honkey would never be too tempted to do?)