kevbone Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 http://www.businessinsider.com/secret-bill-to-be-voted-on-today-would-allow-the-military-to-sweep-up-us-citizens-at-home-or-abroad-2011-11 Either Monday or Tuesday the Senate will vote on a bill that allows the US military to imprison civilians with no formal charges and hold them with no trial. 1) Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely imprison without charge or trial American citizens and others picked up inside and outside the United States; (2) Mandate military detention of some civilians who would other wise be outside of military control, including civilians picked up within the United States itself. Seriously.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted November 28, 2011 Author Share Posted November 28, 2011 I am surprised FW and KKKKK are not all over this praising it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 hey, so long as congress ain't gonna get busy fixing the current fuckups, they might as well use the time to make all new ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Thanks for the link, bone. Is it any surprise McCain is behind this? Fucking snake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Hello Syria! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) Is it any surprise McCain is behind this? Fucking snake. Brother, how right you are! From Wikipedia: "In the Greek New Testament, Cain is referred to as (some Greek gobbledygook).[3] In at least one translation this is rendered "from the evil one",[4] while others have "of the evil one."[5] Some interpreters take this to mean that Cain was literally the son of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. A parallel idea can be found in Jewish tradition,[6] that the serpent (Hebrew nahash (hebrew gobbledygook)) from the Garden of Eden was father to firstborn Cain." Edited November 28, 2011 by prole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 prospects on the bill passing the senate? on the house doing the same? obama signign it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted November 28, 2011 Author Share Posted November 28, 2011 prospects on the bill passing the senate? on the house doing the same? obama signign it? I was told Obama already stated he would veto it....I cant find him saying this..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Anyone who wants to fight this bill can do so here: Take action here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Anyone who wants to fight this bill can do so here: Take action here. but...but...but...that took like 30 seconds of my life to do and the bastards at the aclu won't put my gift of 69 cents on my credit card! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Isn't George W. Bush a civilian now...hmmmm...or Dick Cheney. Wonder what would happen.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 Isn't George W. Bush a civilian now...hmmmm...or Dick Cheney. Wonder what would happen.... dont we wish....but at the end of the day. Nothing would happen to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I am surprised FW and KKKKK are not all over this praising it. Why would anyone praise a proposal such as this? This is ludicrous in the extreme, and I think I would find myself sorry to be an American if it passes. Can a return to Hitler's Third Reich of the early 1930s be very far behind? My, how far the mighty have fallen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Is it any surprise McCain is behind this? Fucking snake. Brother, how right you are! From Wikipedia: "In the Greek New Testament, Cain is referred to as (some Greek gobbledygook).[3] In at least one translation this is rendered "from the evil one",[4] while others have "of the evil one."[5] Some interpreters take this to mean that Cain was literally the son of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. A parallel idea can be found in Jewish tradition,[6] that the serpent (Hebrew nahash (hebrew gobbledygook)) from the Garden of Eden was father to firstborn Cain." Easy there, fellas... this bill looks to have bipartisan sponsorship to me. So you go on hatin' on McCain, but don't forget to disparage Levin some while you're at it... to be fair an' all, ya know... ...Termed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) and drafted behind closed doors by Senators Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Anyone who wants to fight this bill can do so here: Take action here. but...but...but...that took like 30 seconds of my life to do and the bastards at the aclu won't put my gift of 69 cents on my credit card! okay, now i need help de-coding the say-nothing-in-300-words-or-less response i got from cantwell Thank you for contacting me regarding the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012. I appreciate hearing from you on this matter. Senator Carl Levin (D-MI) introduced the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 on May 5, 2011. This legislation was passed by the Senate Armed Services Committee by a vote of 26-0 on November 15, 2011. The National Defense Authorization Act is enacted each fiscal year to specify the budget and expenditures of the U.S. Department of Defense. The National Defense Authorization Act for 2012 includes numerous provisions that relate to the treatment of terrorism detainees. One such provision requires that any detainee caught on U.S. soil must be remanded to the U.S. military for custody. This provision is strongly opposed by the White House and the Department of Defense; both entities have stated that it will limit current options available to our counter-terrorism officials. However, the legislation also allows the Administration to waive the mandatory custody requirement. The bill also provides for an exemption for any mandatory custody transfer that would interfere with ongoing civilian law enforcement surveillance or interrogation efforts. Please be assured that I will keep your thoughts should I have the opportunity to vote on these or similar provisions. I am profoundly grateful for the service of our brave men and women in the armed services and for the sacrifices they have made to defend and preserve our great nation. As such, we have an important responsibility to ensure that they have the tools and resources they need to successfully complete their mission and return home safe. Please be assured that I will continue to work with my colleagues on behalf of the many soldiers in the state of Washington. Thank you again for contacting me to share your thoughts on this matter. You may also be interested in signing up for periodic updates for Washington State residents. If you are interested in subscribing to this update, please visit my website at http://cantwell.senate.gov. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can be of further assistance. Sincerely, Maria Cantwell United States Senator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 easy. She dodged the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 easy. She dodged the question. sarcasm, dood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Isn't George W. Bush a civilian now...hmmmm...or Dick Cheney. Wonder what would happen.... dont we wish....but at the end of the day. Nothing would happen to them. You're awfully fuq'n jaded for being such a young man, 'bone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 sounds like it passed this evening, and the house having passed already a similiar bill, will likely make the obama's desk - part of a 2/3 of a trillion $ budget bill... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 sounds like it passed this evening, and the house having passed already a similiar bill, will likely make the obama's desk - part of a 2/3 of a trillion $ budget bill... awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 insanity... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crux Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Gitmo isn't big enough. But then there's always the provision for just shooting citizens on sight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 The FoxNews take: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/12/01/can-congress-steal-your-constitutional-freedoms/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crux Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I avoid providing support to one-percenters like Murdoch and the businesses he owns, such as FoxNews and the website it operates: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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