prole Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Good point. I'm not sure if there's much of a coherent ideology involved when it's simply and unconsciously taken as a given that "political systems coping with a structural fiscal crisis" are supposed to solve their problems through "taxpayers getting a gold plated reaming in order to bail out the retarded creditors that made bad loans" or whether it's just a natural outcome of concentrated, unregulated economic power coming to bear on the political process, media, and useful idiots in academia. The semantics probably aren't that important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 But wait, Obama's going to make a deal! What a fighter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 But wait, Obama's going to make a deal! What a fighter! Â Poor Prole. Nobody is left-wing enough for him anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 But wait, Obama's going to make a deal! What a fighter! Â Poor Prole. Nobody is left-wing enough for him anymore. Â Oh...oh...I am, I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 But wait, Obama's going to make a deal! What a fighter! Â Poor Prole. Nobody is left-wing enough for him anymore. Â Oh...oh...I am, I am. Â Apparently Prole needs a healthy hobby... maybe you can teach him a few chords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) Well, you're certainly no bully - omega males don't get to play in that sandbox, but, like all omegas, you sure love to join in on the dog pile, no? Â At least Prole's got beliefs regarding fairness and social justice he feels strongly about. I give him shit about the broad brush analysis, but, fundamentally, he's more right than wrong. Wealth accumulation by definition involves some divergence between folks, but our system has become grotesque in that regard. What our nation has chosen to waste our treasure on - the stuff you voted for and heartily supported at the time, as I recall, has become similarly surreal. Â All we know about you is that you'd love to have your sack licked by one of us, and that would be any one of us, apparently, sometime in the future. Edited July 21, 2011 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Well, ... Â Keep it coming, oh bloviating, pontificating fucktard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 But wait, Obama's going to make a deal! What a fighter! Â Poor Prole. Nobody is left-wing enough for him anymore. Â Sorry my cynicism and defeatism hasn't progressed to the point where I think it's just "business as usual" when a candidate running a campaign on systemic change from the left, mobilizing historically marginalized constituencies on that message, and winning by a large margin as a result turns around and governs to the right of Republicans on issue after issue with little or no pressure to do so. It's pathetic. The conservative narrative in '08 was entirely correct: he didn't have enough experience for the job. Will he ever learn that you don't negotiate with terrorists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Sorry my cynicism and defeatism hasn't progressed to the point where I think it's just "business as usual" when a candidate running a campaign on systemic change from the left  The "change" spiel was just a marketing gimmick to win the election. Haven't you learned anything yet about politics? You have a slogan or two, run on it, and see if you get traction to win off of that slogan. Winning is all that matters, and you need to sell the "right message" to do so.  , mobilizing historically marginalized constituencies on that message, and winning by a large margin as a result turns around and governs to the right of Republicans on issue after issue with little or no pressure to do so. It's pathetic.  LOL. He hardly governns to the "right" of Republicans. The fact is Prole, that this country includes people with a whole spectrum of political beliefs and that politics is always about coalitions and compromise. Your progressive agenda is fringe in this country and will never successfully be sold to the masses and then instituted. With our diverse country all we can get are watered-down versions of any "pure", ideologically-based initiatives, and this juggernaut that we have can not change course in any direction overnight. Moreover, our populace is fickle and impatient, and they've proven a willingness to switch out those in power cyclically.  The conservative narrative in '08 was entirely correct: he didn't have enough experience for the job. Will he ever learn that you don't negotiate with terrorists?  Or... he has just the right experience and is acting just like a successful politician in the American system.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I don't mind so much the "..campaign in poetry and govern in prose.." crap; but what I don't approve of is the narrowing of the range of the governing part of the spectrum. The dems' and Obmama just keep caving in to bash 'em, "it's our way or a train wreck" politics offered by the Looney Party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I don't mind so much the "..campaign in poetry and govern in prose.." crap; but what I don't approve of is the narrowing of the range of the governing part of the spectrum. The dems' and Obmama just keep caving in to bash 'em, "it's our way or a train wreck" politics offered by the Looney Party. Â The Republicans hardly governed as fiscal conservatives under W. They are all concerned about reelection and staying in power and now its the Dem's turn. This country has made its own mess and the media is not the only one to blame. Your use of the "Looney Party" is a nice example of just the kind of name-calling, destructive, divisive politics that helps propagate our problems, which you can continue to be a part of, but don't expect any improvement in the status quo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I'm open to other descriptive adjectives that accurately reflect a preponderence for: Â Protecting the rich. Stuffing financial institution oversight in light of the recent reaming. Fleecing the public. Attaching programs that affect the most vuneralble while protecting the financial elites. Yelling for fredum but eagar to control women's health choices and gay life. Having one line only: reduce taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I'm open to other descriptive adjectives that accurately reflect a preponderence for:Â Protecting the rich. Stuffing financial institution oversight in light of the recent reaming. Fleecing the public. Attaching programs that affect the most vuneralble while protecting the financial elites. Yelling for fredum but eagar to control women's health choices and gay life. Having one line only: reduce taxes. Â *yawn* Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 ...and, the present example is a great one. The driver is the Tea Party. Using a relatively straight-forward process of the debt-limit to foster an uncompromising postion of revenue cut only. Letting the Bush tax cuts expire is needed now. HTF are we supposed to pay for the programs the GOP pushed - undfunded war, unfunded Medicare drug program, etc. Suddenly they have found balanced budget religion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 ...and, the present example is a great one. The driver is the Tea Party. Using a relatively straight-forward process of the debt-limit to foster an uncompromising postion of revenue cut only. Letting the Bush tax cuts expire is needed now. HTF are we supposed to pay for the programs the GOP pushed - undfunded war, unfunded Medicare drug program, etc. Suddenly they have found balanced budget religion? Â It's all about (posturing for) the 2012 campaign - both for the R's and for Barry and his colleagues. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Yes, and more. I'd say the Dems have been more than practical in compromising while the GOP is willing to risk the financial health of the country for political brinkmanship. Seriously - that figgin' Bush tax cut for the wealthy is worth fighting for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Yes, and more. I'd say the Dems have been more than practical in compromising while the GOP is willing to risk the financial health of the country for political brinkmanship. Seriously - that figgin' Bush tax cut for the wealthy is worth fighting for? Â The Dems blew it and lost the House. They are at the disadvantage in this round of the political game. The R's are next if they don't watch their step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Well, ... Â Keep it coming, oh bloviating, pontificating fucktard. careful with the insults...kirkw may get fired up and go all superman on you for hurting trashcan's feelings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 careful with the insults  Practice what you preach..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 The Dems blew it and lost the House. Â I suppose you could say that about the republicants....they blew it and lost the (white) house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 careful with the insults  Practice what you preach..... i see your sarcasm-sensor is obviously busted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 This is not looking good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil K Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Looney Party. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZimZam Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Christie is a loud mouthed bully who has fed at the public trough (and quite frequently as evidenced by his appearance). He espouses the regurgitated GOP lines about smaller gubment, while filling new positions with his cronies. Took the SP chopper to his kids private school baseball game. He's raped the public employees pension fund, and has refused to fund it as mandated by law. I got escorted from a town hall meeting when he tried to talk over me, and realized that even with his mic I could produce more decibels than him. My friends don't call me Vavoom for nothing. He didn't like it when I called him a fat-fuck either. I'm so glad to be out of that state of toxic waste. He's a piece of shit hypocrite. Fuck him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 The best thing to do with a bloatfest like Christie is to donate him to the Makahs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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