j_b Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 what about that mandate to cut public services? Sixty-one percent of Americans polled would rather see taxes for the wealthy increased as a first step to tackling the deficit, the poll showed. The next most popular way -- chosen by 20 percent -- was to cut defense spending. Four percent [that's 4 for those with reading difficulties] would cut the Medicare government health insurance program for the elderly, and 3 percent would cut the Social Security retirement program, the poll showed. Asked which part of the world they would fix first, the largest proportion of respondents -- 36 percent -- chose Washington, compared with 23 percent who picked the Middle East and 14 percent who chose Haiti. The poll included a random sample of 1,067 adults across the United States from November 29 to December 2. The margin of error may be plus or minus 3 percentage points, 60 Minutes/Vanity Fair said. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/04/most-americans-say-tax-th_n_804020.html Quote
j_b Posted January 4, 2011 Author Posted January 4, 2011 these poll results only confirm previous polls, like this one for example: "The Quinnipiac University poll found that 60 percent of Americans among both major political parties think raising income taxes on households making more than $250,000 should be a main tenet of the government's efforts to tame the deficit. More than 70 percent, including a majority of Republicans, say those making more than $1 million should pay more. But 80 percent say raising taxes on those making less than that should not be part of the government's approach. Moreover, most oppose touching Medicare and Social Security - two long-term drivers of the budget deficit over the coming decades.... Obama's 2011 budget proposal and most of his fellow Democrats favor eliminating tax breaks for individuals making more than $200,000 and for households making more than $250,000, which were enacted in 2001 and 2003. Not surprisingly, many more Democrats than Republicans back hiking taxes on those making more, though 56 percent of Republicans did support raising taxes on those making more than $1 million, the poll found." http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62S44B20100329?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews Quote
j_b Posted January 4, 2011 Author Posted January 4, 2011 Guess the WA voters didn't see this poll. on the tax issue? it likely points to problems in the way these campaigns are run. Quote
JayB Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Someone needs to get those results in front of the regressive/neocon/warmongering corporate shills at the NYT, post-haste! http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/04/business/04labor.html Quote
j_b Posted January 4, 2011 Author Posted January 4, 2011 JayB gloats thinking he won because the NYT regurgitates his neoliberal propaganda. Quote
Mal_Con Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 The U.S. ceased being a representative democracy on January 21, 2010 the date of Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission . From my experience in election campaigns there are about 20% of partisans on each side and maybe 10% of knowledgeable independents. The remaining 50% are persuadable by mass media approaches. Since corporations can spend unlimited amounts and such expenditures are in their interests they will continue to do so. The last election was just a sample of what is to come.There is no real solution possible. We are pretty much screwed. Quote
Jim Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 The U.S. ceased being a representative democracy on January 21, 2010 the date of Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission . From my experience in election campaigns there are about 20% of partisans on each side and maybe 10% of knowledgeable independents. The remaining 50% are persuadable by mass media approaches. Since corporations can spend unlimited amounts and such expenditures are in their interests they will continue to do so. The last election was just a sample of what is to come.There is no real solution possible. We are pretty much screwed. I think that's a fairly accurate and concise summary. Quote
ivan Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 was the US ever a representative democracy even in the halcyon days? dooood, can't you see we're just maintaining a glorious american tradition here, fucking poor people in their poo-holes?!? Quote
Jim Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 was the US ever a representative democracy even in the halcyon days? dooood, can't you see we're just maintaining a glorious american tradition here, fucking poor people in their poo-holes?!? Well there has always been some fluctuation. From bad to worse for instance. Quote
prole Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Democracy, even the limited kind you've grown accustomed to, is proving incompatible with capitalist efficiencies. The technocratic elite will take care of decision-making from here. If you're not already firmly ensconced within the walls, micro-credit may be available to you to carry on some semblance of participation in the emerging social order. The redundant population is currently on the order of 9.8%. Lower your life-expectations for yourself, your parents, and your children considerably, trust the politico-corporate elite, and for god's sake don't slip up. Quote
billcoe Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 You all still talkin' about the Obama Tax cuts for the rich? Decreasing the revenue stream was last weeks news. This week it's lets keep increasing the spending. Little heads up on the economy in case you don't see it: next week it's going to be "SHOCK", interest rates are going up and we're going broke via unfavorable refinancing of debt going into this rat hole at an ever accelerating rate. An outraged public will probably take pitchforks and march on Washington only to learn that Homer Simpson has been the braintrust for the Treasury policy makers since Bush and that circus came to town. Quote
Fairweather Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Guess the WA voters didn't see this poll. I'd say they spoke loud and clear: they don't like j_b's brand of hate. They don't want to hand state government more money (read: power). Quote
Hugh Conway Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 I think they are militantly dumb. See Fairweather. Quote
Fairweather Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 I think they are militantly dumb. See Fairweather. Well, it is a blue state after all. Gotta love the way dumbshits like Hugh reduce their post-election analysis to the affirmation or ridicule of voter intellect. Makes ya wonder what cloud they live on. Quote
Hugh Conway Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Posty election? It's a sum total of actions. Quote
j_b Posted January 5, 2011 Author Posted January 5, 2011 You all still talkin' about the Obama Tax cuts for the rich? Decreasing the revenue stream was last weeks news. It may have been last week for you but defending public programs like social security and contracts signed with public workers is today and the next few month/years. Are you for defaulting on contracts signed with public workers? or anybody else for that matter? JayB? Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 It is true that rfuck voting is correlated with IQ, probably a factor in how readily that population laps up the flag waving bullshit and the silver bullet solutions that go with it. Go downtown. Look around. Half the people around you have an IQ of 100 or below. And they vote... ...republican. Party of the Big Walmart Pup Tent and all that. Quote
Fairweather Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Are you for defaulting on contracts signed with public workers? or anybody else for that matter? JayB? Nope. But I am for dissolving public employee unions and renegotiating benefit packages moving forward. Quote
Fairweather Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Go downtown. Look around. Half the people around you have an IQ of 100 or below. And they vote... ...republican. I'd say you have that about 180 degrees ass backward. The average downtown drunkard, drug-addict, welfare mom, ex-felon, toll-taker, cart-pusher, union snowplow sloth and garbage man vote Democrat almost without exception. ...while the few of you who somehow manage to eek out a 101 or 102 look out your condo windows marveling at your own intellect. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Are you for defaulting on contracts signed with public workers? or anybody else for that matter? JayB? Nope. But I am for dissolving public employee unions and renegotiating benefit packages moving forward. Actually, I was referring to the people in in the financial industry. Quote
j_b Posted January 5, 2011 Author Posted January 5, 2011 Are you for defaulting on contracts signed with public workers? or anybody else for that matter? JayB? Nope. But I am for dissolving public employee unions and renegotiating benefit packages moving forward. here you go, our own Herr Stormtrooper "for dissolving unions" recorded for posterity. Ain't "Freedumb" beeeoootiful? Quote
Fairweather Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 "for dissolving unions" recorded for posterity. Public unions, moron. Get your facts right for once. Quote
j_b Posted January 5, 2011 Author Posted January 5, 2011 as if anyone believed you had any other design for unions in general. Quote
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