AlpineK Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I did a search on this dbunny you like dbunny There's a lot of helpful stuff out there for rabbit owners. [img:center]http://www.ontariorabbits.org/beginners/beginner_front.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Fuckin newbies! The swagger in their walk could power a small city! Who you calling newb punk? According to that little thing on the sidebar I've been registered here longer than you! State of mind, bitch! Nothing like libtards screaming at each other about who's the most righteous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 Read his articles. He's no veterinarian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 evolution is bullshit too b/c of those dumbass piltdown folks, right? ya never answered the question in the other thread on this chestnut, fw - which is it? a) the earth is not getting warmer b) the earth is getting warmer, it just isn't the fault of man you obviously don't go w/ c) the earth is warmer, and mankind has been a significant agent in that process your answer is a pretty essential starting point for the conversation, no? Actually, I did. You quit after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 evolution is bullshit too b/c of those dumbass piltdown folks, right? ya never answered the question in the other thread on this chestnut, fw - which is it? a) the earth is not getting warmer b) the earth is getting warmer, it just isn't the fault of man you obviously don't go w/ c) the earth is warmer, and mankind has been a significant agent in that process your answer is a pretty essential starting point for the conversation, no? Actually, I did. You quit after that. i'm a poor sprayer then or maybe it was just drowned in an ocean of bullshit? so what was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I just installed a record player in my car. I enjoy the superior sound quality. What kind of isolation pads do you use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 ahhh piracy I am bummed Hot Tuna moved to the dark side..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 CO2 may, in fact, be the cause--but to claim the science is settled to the same degree as, say, evolution or plate tectonics is ridiculous. Easterbrook thinks that solar output and natural decadal oscillations are largely to blame. I wouldn't be surprised if diminished albedo due to (anthropogenic)soot is a factor in glacial recession as well. There is a NASA study underway right now investigating this--which, of course, begs the question: Is this really settled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) Yes, it's settled. Everything you mentioned is a secondary or tertiary factor, orders of magnitude less important than man made CO2...which, BTW, has a distinct isotopic signature as compared to volcanism and other natural sources (duh). Your albedo argument is a joke, right? In addition, solar output, while VERY SLOWLY increasing, doesn't (and hasn't) changed fast enough to play a significant role. Yours is a dilletante's argument...wafer thin knowledge of the processes, cherry picked out of context, without regard to relative magnitude, to fit what you want to be true. Edited November 30, 2009 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Fuckin newbies! The swagger in their walk could power a small city! Who you calling newb punk? According to that little thing on the sidebar I've been registered here longer than you! don't bother ttk with facts or any other inconvenient truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 In addition, solar output, while VERY SLOWLY increasing, doesn't (and hasn't) changed fast enough to play a significant role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete_H Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Shit is not settled and a healthy dose of skepticism is good. Quite a coincidence though that the rise of global temps and atmospheric CO2 levels correlate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) Some of the details are not settled, but the major cause of global warming is, man made CO2, is and has been for years. Mostly what we're discovering now is that the problem is far worse and accelerating far faster than even our kindest models predicted. Edited November 30, 2009 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 Shit is not settled and a healthy dose of skepticism is good. Quite a coincidence though that the rise of global temps and atmospheric CO2 levels correlate. Not necessarily: http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~dbunny/research/global/co2_glochng.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I'm sure you'll be proven right about everything in the end, FW; Bush will be the greatest president ever, democracy will spread like wild fire in the Middle East, Obama's will be impeached and be replacement by McCain in a landslide, and the earth will get warmer cuz the sun's just gettin' hotter, duh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Hell, I might even do those two quarters at SSCC just to keep your record unblemished! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 CO2 may, in fact, be the cause--but to claim the science is settled to the same degree as, say, evolution or plate tectonics is ridiculous. Easterbrook thinks that solar output and natural decadal oscillations are largely to blame. I wouldn't be surprised if diminished albedo due to (anthropogenic)soot is a factor in glacial recession as well. There is a NASA study underway right now investigating this--which, of course, begs the question: Is this really settled? Ivan. You gonna ask me this again in a couple months? Where's the quid pro quo from cc.com's only libnontard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndavidjr Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Fairweather, who is a really upstanding person, is nonetheless demonstrably ill-equipped to evaluate current events. He's easily duped and therefore engenders an odd ombination of pity and hostility. Perhaps this is actually what he seeks. But who knows? Utterly unrelated to no-nothing views like those of Fairweather, is Freeman Dyson, who is regarded as mostly a genius with decades of amazing credentials in science, and also, slightly, a crank in his extreme old age: "In the history of science it has often happened that the majority was wrong and refused to listen to a minority that later turned out to be right. It may—or may not—be that the present is such a time." The essay by Dyson, despite its skepticism of conventional wisdom, actually answers Fairweather's question about data. By definition, however, know-nothings like Fairweather are utterly impervious to knowledge and information. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21494 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete_H Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Shit is not settled and a healthy dose of skepticism is good. Quite a coincidence though that the rise of global temps and atmospheric CO2 levels correlate. Not necessarily: http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~dbunny/research/global/co2_glochng.pdf This article is pretty easy to understand so it couldn't possibly have been written by real scientists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gertlush Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 More awesomeness from the Guardian: Your friends This Copenhagen treaty is a very bad deal & I'm glad our government has good sense in this regard. He mentions Kyoto & how Canada exceeded it's targets..uhh...so did every freaking country who signed on. But when you call bullshit on it and say it's not worth the tons of paper it's printed on people call you a climate destroyer...it's called realistic. I would be very wary of anything the Europeans are pushing in this regard. They're the last people I would trust as doing this for the good of mankind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 The euros are the only people who have done anything substantive to curtail human caused climate change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 The US government will fight doing anything to curtail global warming as long as it's got a corporate cock both up its ass and in its mouth, which will probably be for the foreseeable future. Unfortunately, at this point, it's going to take massive government intervention to stave off disaster. So, expect disaster. The shit will go down, regardless of our shitty little squabbles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete_H Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Do you ever put words together that make any fucking sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) All I know is that Greenland and Antarctica are black with soot. The glaciers look like an Xray of Ivan's lungs. Check out the satellite photos: their libidos are through the roof. That may or may not also resemble Ivan, I wouldn't know, so STFU about it. Stop barbequing, people. Or barbequing people, for that matter. Edited November 30, 2009 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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