Obama sucks as a candidate to be president-the why

[tvashtarkatena]

Well, anything can happen in this world, but the lesson from the kooks at McCain's rallies is how little tolerance the country now has for that kind of crap.

 

Having said that, Palin stated just yesterday that she would continue pressing her 'pallin' around with terrorists' line. I think this is more a sign of a failed and desperate campaign that can't connect with moderates than a latent wish to incite some kook in the crowd to do the unthinkable. McCain continues to press the Ayers (and other) non-issue simply because he's got nothing much else to talk about. When you've got no message, you attack the other guy. It fills the time.

[prole]

I totally agree with your reading of what the McCain campaign's motives are: no critique, no program, no credibility, no future. Their followers on the other hand, as we've seen, have a nasty habit of actually believing what they're saying.

[tvashtarkatena]

I suspect they also have a less nasty habit of being all mouth and no action. I wonder how many of McCain's screaming meanies won't even bother to show up at the polls. "Oh, like, man, my truck's actin' up..."

Edited October 20, 2008 by tvashtarkatena

[prole]

 

 

 

[Fairweather]

Hang on to your guns and your free media. They're going to be under assault for at least the next 2 years if Obama wins.

free media was very nicely dismantled by your own GWB, there is nothing left to assult

 

 

It's also important to note Obama's comments regarding trade with Colombia during the last debate. FARC and their prime benefactor, Chavez, are going to be partying in the jungle on inauguration night and the good people of Colombia will get to look forward to another 70,000 dead in the name of "justice".

 

Chavez is from Venezuela you moron. different country. thanks again to gwb, who manages to resurrect soviets. maybe we should be talking about main issue- trade with communist china?

 

That might cost you your evening job at Walmart! I understand that English is your second language, but re-read the post and try to comprehend my Colombia statements as they relate to the pig Chavez. You might also try to read up a little bit on Chavez' ongoing support for FARC and his need for 300,000 new Russian-made Kalashnikov rifles to supply his 64,000-man army. I thought you were just a goof ball but you are, in fact, pretty fucking dumb.

[Buckaroo]

 

The *iggers were freed?

 

It's not how you say something Fairweather, it's what you're saying.

 

"slavery" and oppression continued after the Civil war because the bigoted whites didn't give up, they just went underground.

 

And with the first black candidate for prez we can see after about 150 years they STILL haven't given up on their racism and bigotry.

 

During the dozen or so years I've been posting on internet forums I've never seen the N word used in greater numbers or with greater vehemence than with this election cycle.

[Fairweather]

the south had no industry and its only resource was cotton, so it would have required foreign investment (probably from the north) in order to develop the oil in texas. this would have probably worked better for the north anyway since the south would have become one of the banana republics on the state dept payroll -- that way the yankees could control the south but not let the rednecks have the vote.

 

The south had no industry, in part, because of northern arrogance and the sectionalism that came out of southern exclusion from Clay's American System. If a southern rail route would have been chosen the south would have (eventually) replaced slavery with industry. Northern business had no problem making a buck on the backs of slaves, they just thought their hands clean in that haughty fashion that persists to this day. The more things change...

[Buckaroo]

 

Good post, Bill. Hang on to your guns and your free media.

 

All of the owners of the 5 big conglomerates that own the "free" media are repug. It's not free, it's corporate monopoly owned. The only real free media is the internet. How exactly is Obama going to curtail that? Please provide a link.

 

When did Obama say he was going to take your guns? Please provide a link.

 

Is it going to be anything like when bush/cheney's FEMA and Blackwater actually confiscated everyone's guns, including white upscale homeowners, in the aftermath of Katrina?

[Fairweather]

During the dozen or so years I've been posting on internet forums I've never seen the N word used in greater numbers or with greater vehemence than with this election cycle.

 

...and by self-described "liberals" in every instance.

[Buckaroo]

I'd like to pitch this to all you many Obama ass kissers on this site. Kevbones poll is running @77% for Obama, 23% McCain. (It doesn't reflect those like me who don't want either.) I can't vote for the man. No way. I feel that one of my biggest points of opposition to him hasn't been covered except minimally in the media, this is something I want you fanatic Obama lovers to consider.

 

If you were to hire a person to be President. You would look at the job criteria and then look for a person who had done jobs with the kinds of skills you were looking for. A person with a successful history and track record of actually doing that kind of work.

 

When Jimmy Carter was against Ronald Reagan, both of those fellows had long track records of running states as governors. Furthermore, Carter had deep and extensive comparable experince that transferred over well. He had been a commander on a nuclear sub under Chester Nimitz (known as the man who modernized the Navy and who had impeccable organizational skills), AND Carter ran a relatively large family farm that reflected skills that bordered on being the CEO of a big business. Both men had ACTUAL experience doing a smaller version of the job they were "interviewing" for.

 

Obama doesn't have anything close to this. AT ALL! I suspect that many of you are like me. You don't like McCain, and see Obama as a better choice. This may be true, but is a terrible reason to hire a person. When McCain was 5 points up, I offered to bet that Obama would win the election. I found some folks who liked the odds and bet on McCain. I'll do well $ that way if Obama gets elected. However, I have a very very deep suspicion that we, that's you and me my countrymen, are so fucked once he gets in. We can all "HOPE" that the CHANGE he talks incessantly of offering will be positive, but it is like "believing" in the tooth ferry and Santa Claus. It's a "belief" you can have, which has no basis in truth and reality. Think of this, George Bush had significantly BETTER credentials AND a strong track record of being able to collaboratively move a state forward, of being able to hire strong and intelligent people to key posts and taking advice from experts coming in as president: key skills which Barak glaringly lacks ever exhibiting. That's right, I'm saying it here, Bush's track record was SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER coming in! Where did that get us? Bushes approval rating is 14% now.

 

What this lack of ever doing any of this kind of work may very well mean is that Barak just sucks at it, and cannot do it, which is why he never has done it and has no track record of ever even trying this kind of thing. Being a community organizer and a senator for 2 years doesn't qualify him, even after 8 years a s a state senator. John Kerrys MANY years AND being the head-cheese on a Swift Boat did. You (the 77% on this site who love Barak so) just don't know this yet, but appear to want to find out by trial and error on the job training in what may be a Dante Inferno version of bad choice good faith guessing. Someone I'd relayed this too explained their support of Obama this way: "Obama is like and internet stock, you might be on the ride of your life to the moon, or you might crash and burn hard". God I hope I'm wrong about this, but cannot shake the feeling or ditch the thought that it's about to turn real bad, real soon.

 

We are so fucked. Read it and weep my brothers.

 

this post is so wrong, don't know where to start. Have a feeling this will be an ongoing effort.

 

GW was about our most incompetent "president" ever. He failed every business he was handed by his silver spoon life. The Texas governorship is largely a ceremonial position and yet he managed to leave Texas in the worse shape it had been in decades, economy, crime, pollution, schools. And he did pretty much the same thing at the national level.

 

"being able to hire strong and intelligent people to key posts"

 

this is about the most inaccurate statement of your entire post. I've been directly exposed to cronyism. Bush is/was NOTHING BUT an advocate of the crony appointment. From Brownie to Gonzales and everyone in between, no real experience/intelligence for the position, just stupidity and brown-nosing ass-kissing crooks.

 

It's also about the morals (or lack of) when it comes to leadership. Leaders at these levels don't have as much to do with things directly as they do by projection. If the leader is a corrupt greedy liar then it tends to attract and bring out that in those around him.

 

It's also about intelligence. From any two individuals regardless of experience, if one is a complete idiot and the other highly intelligent, who are you going to pick when it comes to this level?

 

And why pray tell do the repugs always pick the dim bulbs? I think the reason is because the corps that own the repugs lock-stock-and-barrel know that stupid people make better puppets.

 

"the federal government wants to control social security like it's some kind of federal program" and this was AFTER he was selected pres by the supreme court.

 

John McCain graduated 5th from the bottom in a class of 899 and only got into and through flight school because of admiral daddy pulling strings. Any regular person with McCain's performance wouldn't have got even close to a jet. Remind you of anyone, like the dunce that just gave us eight years of ruin?

 

Obama, worked his way up from the bottom, a Magna cum laude doctorate and first black prez of the Harvard Law Revue. Sure he's corrupted just by the fact that he got this far within a corrupt system but he is DEFINITELY the lesser of two evils for a number of reasons, the biggest one being INTELLIGENCE.

[Buckaroo]

During the dozen or so years I've been posting on internet forums I've never seen the N word used in greater numbers or with greater vehemence than with this election cycle.

 

...and by self-described "liberals" in every instance.

 

that's just flat out wrong dude, please post a link to someone who is a liberal or dem and is using it in a derogatory fashion, not a "descriptive of repugs" fashion as Hugh was.

 

I love the "repugs are racist" argument, it's such an easy win, and the current climate makes it even easier.

[akhalteke]

John McCain graduated 5th from the bottom in a class of 899

 

Would you tell me where Patton and Grant graduated? How about Lee? I suppose you were going somewhere with this. Would you like to expound?

[Buckaroo]

John McCain graduated 5th from the bottom in a class of 899

 

Would you tell me where Patton and Grant graduated? How about Lee? I suppose you were going somewhere with this. Would you like to expound?

 

LOL, you really want to compare Patton to McCain?

 

from wiki-p

 

"Education: Patton attended Virginia Military Institute for one year, where he rushed VMI's chapter of the Kappa Alpha Order. He then transferred to the United States Military Academy. The Academy compelled him to repeat his first "plebe" year after doing poorly in mathematics. He repeated his plebe year with honors, and was appointed Cadet Adjutant (the second highest position for a cadet) eventually graduating in 1909 and receiving his commission as a cavalry officer."

 

I'm not saying schooling guarantees success in life, nor that poor schooling guarantees failure, just that it usually means a better chance. And when we look at McCain's later performance all I really see is a repeat of the same bush style purchase of position, because intelligence isn't a requirement for political office.

[akhalteke]

LOL, you really want to compare Patton to McCain?

I think a comparison would be considerably more facile than a contrast.

 

And when we look at McCain's later performance all I really see is a repeat of the same bush style purchase of position, because intelligence isn't a requirement for political office.

 

I find it rather ironic that many on this site unilaterally question the intelligence of those that disagree with you. The fact is that GWB as well as McCain are well above the average intelligence. All of the rumors about GWB have been debunked and you have little left but whitewashing epithets to fall back on.

 

Intelligence does indeed have little to do with being a successful leader; and that is what a politician (especially a high ranking one) must be. I wont even bother challenging you to find the sources of the alleged intellectual incompetence on the behalf of GWB and McCain; it has been refuted a dz. times before and doing so again would achieve nothing.

 

 

 

[Hugh Conway]

John McCain graduated 5th from the bottom in a class of 899

 

Would you tell me where Patton and Grant graduated? How about Lee? I suppose you were going somewhere with this. Would you like to expound?

 

Robert E. Lee was second in his class.

Grant the Butcher 21st out of 39

Patton 46th out of 109

Eisenhower upper half

 

Your point is crashing faster than McCain in a jet.

[olyclimber]

Good job Hugh. Your next task is to find the 177th digit of PI. GO GO INTERNET SLEUTH!

[Hugh Conway]

Good job Hugh. Your next task is to find the 177th digit of PI. GO GO INTERNET SLEUTH!

 

9, duh

[ivan]

During the dozen or so years I've been posting on internet forums I've never seen the N word used in greater numbers or with greater vehemence than with this election cycle.

 

...and by self-described "liberals" in every instance.

dude, ice cube personally gave me the right to drop the n-bomb

 

he also handed me a gat to shoot him with

[olyclimber]

Good job Hugh. Your next task is to find the 177th digit of PI. GO GO INTERNET SLEUTH!

 

9, duh

 

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

[Tokogirl]

LOL, you really want to compare Patton to McCain?

I think a comparison would be considerably more facile than a contrast.

 

And when we look at McCain's later performance all I really see is a repeat of the same bush style purchase of position, because intelligence isn't a requirement for political office.

 

I find it rather ironic that many on this site unilaterally question the intelligence of those that disagree with you. The fact is that GWB as well as McCain are well above the average intelligence. All of the rumors about GWB have been debunked and you have little left but whitewashing epithets to fall back on.

 

Intelligence does indeed have little to do with being a successful leader; and that is what a politician (especially a high ranking one) must be. I wont even bother challenging you to find the sources of the alleged intellectual incompetence on the behalf of GWB and McCain; it has been refuted a dz. times before and doing so again would achieve nothing.

 

 

 

A blend of intelligence, common sense, and practicality would be refreshing.............oh, but that individual would be poo, pooed as simple!

[Buckaroo]

I find it rather ironic that many on this site unilaterally question the intelligence of those that disagree with you. The fact is that GWB as well as McCain are well above the average intelligence. All of the rumors about GWB have been debunked and you have little left but whitewashing epithets to fall back on.

 

ROTFLMFAO!!!

the intelligence isn't questioned, it's statement of fact, in the bush-boy's case by example of direct quotes. How exactly are you going to "debunk" historical quotes Akhalteke?

 

Seriously some of these mistakes are like a 4th grade level. You can really tell in his speeches when they keep them at about that 4th grade level he does fine, when you go above it that's when he gets into trouble, even with a teleprompter. And off the cuff on anything substantial, forget it. It's not only lack of knowledge, it's downright stupidity.

 

Civics:

 

He doesn't even know the definition of the branch of government that poppie's money and name bought him.

 

"I am mindful of the difference between the executive branch and the legislative branch. I assured all four of these leaders that I know the difference, and that difference is they pass the laws and I execute them."

 

"The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's job to interpret law."

 

"You see, the Senate wants to take away some of the powers of the administrative branch."

 

When did you first learn Akhalteke that social security was part of the federal government? I think with me it was about 14 or 15 yo. Imagine not knowing until you were in your mid 40's. Imagine being governor of a state or president and not knowing that?

 

"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of federal program."

 

geography

 

"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease."

 

grammar(humorously most often when discussing education issues!)

 

"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.''

 

"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"

 

"Reading is the basics for all learning."

 

"Then you wake up at the high school level and find out that the illiteracy level of our children are appalling."

 

vocabulary:

 

"They misunderestimated me."

 

"office of strategery"

 

"We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile.''

 

lack of reading:

 

"One of the great things about books is sometimes there are some fantastic pictures."

 

"Bill wrote a book at Yale. I read one."

 

"I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves."

 

general base stupidity:

 

"We thought we were protected forever from trade policy or terrorist attacks because oceans protected us."

 

"I think we agree, the past is over."

 

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."

 

"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur."

 

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

 

Intelligence does indeed have little to do with being a successful leader; and that is what a politician (especially a high ranking one) must be. I wont even bother challenging you to find the sources of the alleged intellectual incompetence on the behalf of GWB and McCain; it has been refuted a dz. times before and doing so again would achieve nothing.

 

A formal education can't hurt although it doesn't gurantee success, but intelligence has everything to do with being an effective and successful leader. We have 8 years of proof about what an unintelligent leader can mean.

 

It's funny Akhalteke but I don't remember any of these multiple source quotes ever being refuted or "debunked", you can be the first if you'd like.

 

 

[Buckaroo]

Robert E. Lee was second in his class.

Grant the Butcher 21st out of 39

Patton 46th out of 109

Eisenhower upper half

 

Your point is crashing faster than McCain in a jet.

 

Well the jet thing is another point demonstrating the typical bush/McCain incompetence and privilege. How many regular pilots would be allowed to keep their wings in the Navy with that many broad daylight crashes?

 

Let's see

 

Robert E. Lee was second in his class.

Grant the Butcher 21st out of 39

Patton 46th out of 109

Eisenhower upper half

 

all of these could at least be arguably average, especially considering the small numbers in the classes. BTW, thanks Hugh for doing my work for me.

 

McCain 5th out of 899.

 

You guys really want to argue this is even "average" much less "above"?

 

Edited October 21, 2008 by Buckaroo

[olyclimber]

the answer is zero

[Fairweather]

During the dozen or so years I've been posting on internet forums I've never seen the N word used in greater numbers or with greater vehemence than with this election cycle.

 

...and by self-described "liberals" in every instance.

 

that's just flat out wrong dude, please post a link to someone who is a liberal or dem and is using it in a derogatory fashion, not a "descriptive of repugs" fashion as Hugh was.

 

I love the "repugs are racist" argument, it's such an easy win, and the current climate makes it even easier.

 

WTF? What planet do you live on, asshole? Show me even one instance where any conservative on this site has used that word in any fashion. You can't. And what's more; that particular word shouldn't be used in any manner--even by weak-minded liberals (like you and Hugh) who are otherwise unable to illustrate their point for whatever reason. Stop making excuses for yourself and your fellow douche bags.

Edited October 21, 2008 by Fairweather

[Mal_Con]

MacArthur - First in his class

Custer - Last