Toast Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I grew up in Seattle going to Seafair and watcing the Blue Angels down on the lake each year. As a result, I've been conditioned to be wowed by then since I was a kid. In this age of global rampage and the terror we impose on other nations, either through outright aggression or through arms sales to those who do the same, we have lots of refugees who've relocated to our area. I wonder how they react to the howl of these jets that may have been a signal in an earlier time to death of loved ones. Anyway, something to ponder... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 guns are the sound of freedom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 they care about the bread, not the circus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hafilax Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I think they'd be more afraid of this British blue angel DMwWPAPpy0A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canyondweller Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I grew up in Seattle going to Seafair and watcing the Blue Angels down on the lake each year. As a result, I've been conditioned to be wowed by then since I was a kid. In this age of global rampage and the terror we impose on other nations, either through outright aggression or through arms sales to those who do the same, we have lots of refugees who've relocated to our area. I wonder how they react to the howl of these jets that may have been a signal in an earlier time to death of loved ones. Anyway, something to ponder... Don't care. Those jets truly ARE the sound of freedom. The people that are here, for the most part, are probably people that benefited from those jets. "global rampage"??? Give me a break. Move to France, you whiny bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I grew up in Seattle going to Seafair and watcing the Blue Angels down on the lake each year. As a result, I've been conditioned to be wowed by then since I was a kid. In this age of global rampage and the terror we impose on other nations, either through outright aggression or through arms sales to those who do the same, we have lots of refugees who've relocated to our area. I wonder how they react to the howl of these jets that may have been a signal in an earlier time to death of loved ones. Anyway, something to ponder... Don't care. Those jets truly ARE the sound of freedom. The people that are here, for the most part, are probably people that benefited from those jets. "global rampage"??? Give me a break. Move to France, you whiny bitch. Get with the program Canyondweller, WE'RE the TRUE terrorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 yes we are awful! in fact i think "we" have become "them" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 yes we are awful! in fact i think "we" have become "them" who can I blow up to get my 72 virgins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selkirk Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I still like having a cubicle with a window that looks across the Boeing Field runway The A-10 kicked but too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 a poignant photo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I love how black and white you righties like to think things are. USA = good, people who don't like the USA = bad. It must be nice having a simple mind which is satisfied with simple explanations. Yes, those jets ARE the sound of freedom to many, but they are also the sign of misguided policies and destruction to others. For the most part I do believe our foreign policy blossoms from good intentions, but unfortunately LOTS of unintended consequences have caused us to bring misfortune to people who never directed violence, or even ill will, towards us. Unfortunately our foreign policy under George W. Shrub has not only screwed over others in the world, it has had a net negative impact on our own country. Now to the original point - it's an airshow, and no matter what the jets may mean to one person or another, very fast kick ass airplanes are cool, and the simple fact is we make 'em better and fly them better than anybody else. The pilots of those jets are living their dream as well. So, for the Blue Angels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast Posted August 1, 2008 Author Share Posted August 1, 2008 Get with the program Canyondweller, WE'RE the TRUE terrorists. Ya know KKK, for once, I agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 a poignant photo: the poignant forbidden remote linking. at least they didn't subsistence goatse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 who can I blow up to get my 72 virgins? TTK - he should split into 72 normal sized humans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I love how black and white you righties like to think things are. There's nothing more black and white than the original post in this thread. USA = good, people who don't like the USA = bad. It must be nice having a simple mind which is satisfied with simple explanations. Your words not mine, nor my beliefs. Guess you're the one with the simplistic worldview, preferring to pidgeon-hole and project opinions than deal with real people rather than cardboard cutouts. Yes, those jets ARE the sound of freedom to many, but they are also the sign of misguided policies and destruction to others. And if those "others" are living here, then they can STFU or go home. That was the question posed in the thread - what do refuges living here who may be "victims" of US "terror" think of us. Fuck them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hafilax Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I don't really see the connection between the Blue Angel's and US foreign policy. It sounds like a "Shock and Awe" argument to me and that was shown to be an ungrounded theory. I've never lived in a war torn area but it seems to me that modern bombers are pretty much silent. Even the fighters and air-to-ground aircraft are designed to be pretty quiet until they break the sound barrier. Maybe those who lived in war in the 70's would feel some resentment toward the sound of jets but that would reflect on past foreign policy not current. The Blue Angel's are more of a picture of the past than the present. They are practically antiques. In Halifax they blast a cannon every day at noon on Citadel Hill. It used to make me jump but it didn't evoke images of war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I don't really see the connection between the Blue Angel's and US foreign policy... The Blue Angel's are more of a picture of the past than the present. They are practically antiques. Antiques? Huh? The Blue Angels are F/A 18 strike fighters. This model of fighter is in active service and sees combat today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TREETOAD Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 yes we are awful! in fact i think "we" have become "them" who can I blow up to get my 72 virgins? A nun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hafilax Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Antiques? Huh? The Blue Angels are F/A 18 strike fighters. This model of fighter is in active service and sees combat today. I stand corrected. I still don't think they are an image of war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I never grew up in, nor or saw firsthand, an active war-torn area. I have visited places of battles and wars that were long past. I have never seen the Blue Angels perform, but I have witnessed the Air Force's Thunderbirds perform in three different airframes over the decades [F-4E Phantom II, T-38A Talon (trainer version of the F-5 Freedom Fighter), F-16A Fighting Falcon] and have never once failed to be amazed and awed by their precision maneuvers and sheer power of the aircraft. I love watching this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast Posted August 1, 2008 Author Share Posted August 1, 2008 During its history 26 Blue Angels pilots have been killed in air show or training accidents.[3] Through the 2006 season there have been 262 pilots and squad leaders in the squad's history,[4] giving the job a 10% fatality rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I have never seen the Blue Angels perform, but I have witnessed the Air Force's Thunderbirds perform in three different airframes over the decades [F-4E Phantom II, T-38A Talon (trainer version of the F-5 Freedom Fighter), F-16A Fighting Falcon] and have never once failed to be amazed and awed by their precision maneuvers and sheer power of the aircraft. I love watching this stuff. I used to regularly attend the air shows at Moffett Field in the Bay Area which featured the Blue Angels (which flew A-4 aircraft at that time). I've only seen the Seafair show once in the last 16 years. I generally avoid crowds and events like Seafair, and it is of course prime time to be climbing not getting stuck in traffic on Mercer Island. The Blue Angels are not permitted to break the sound barrier during their shows. I'd like to see one of those planes do a fly by at low altitude and full throttle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 During its history 26 Blue Angels pilots have been killed in air show or training accidents.[3] Through the 2006 season there have been 262 pilots and squad leaders in the squad's history,[4] giving the job a 10% fatality rate. Kind of like climbing Everest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 (edited) In this age of global rampage and the terror we impose on other nations, either through outright aggression or through arms sales to those who do the same, we have lots of refugees who've relocated to our area. I wonder how they react to the howl of these jets that may have been a signal in an earlier time to death of loved ones. I'm sure the vast majority of refugees here have something far worse they're fleeing than what you now perceive your country to be. I'll bet most of them could have gone a lot of other places, but chose to come here. Why do you suppose that is? You used to be a voice of reason here, but you now sound just like the choir. Congratulations. Edited August 2, 2008 by Fairweather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Antiques? Huh? The Blue Angels are F/A 18 strike fighters. This model of fighter is in active service and sees combat today. I stand corrected. I still don't think they are an image of war. I disagree with the premise of this thread, but I have to say that I see the Blue Angels as an exhibition of US military might, and, yes, an image of war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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