War with Iran office pool

[billcoe]

I call Mid to late October, it meshes with the Election date quite nicely.

 

 

It's the way the wind (Hot air in Washington) is blowing, and it has a multiple bonus in that it gets McCain Elected, the Israelis off the hook for the "Nooclear" and issue, and maintains the Dollar as the currency of choice (Iran has been lobbying for the dollar to not be utilized in oil transactions, something the admin would find intolerable.)

 

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(Pat Buchanan wrote)

"Petraeus points to war with Iran

Posted: April 10, 2008

8:27 pm Eastern

 

© 2008

 

The neocons may yet get their war on Iran.

 

Ever since President Nouri al-Maliki ordered the attacks in Basra on the Mahdi Army, Gen. David Petraeus has been laying the predicate for U.S. air strikes on Iran and a wider war in the Middle East.

 

Iran, Petraeus told the Senate Armed Services Committee, has "fueled the recent violence in a particularly damaging way through its lethal support of the special groups."

 

These "special groups" are "funded, trained, armed and directed by Iran's Quds Force with help from Lebanese Hezbollah. It was these groups that launched Iranian rockets and mortar rounds at Iraq's seat of government (the Green Zone) ... causing loss of innocent life and fear in the capital."

 

 

"President Ahmadinejad and other Iranian leaders" promised to end their "support for the special groups," said the general, but the "nefarious activities of the Quds force have continued.

 

Are Iranians then murdering Americans, asked Joe Lieberman:

 

"Is it fair to say that the Iranian-backed special groups in Iraq are responsible for the murder of hundreds of American soldiers and thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians?"

 

"It certainly is. ... That is correct," said Petraeus.

 

The following day, Petraeus told the House Armed Services Committee, "Unchecked, the 'special groups' pose the greatest long-term threat to the viability of a democratic Iraq."

 

Translation: The United States is now fighting the proxies of Iran for the future of Iraq.

 

The general's testimony is forcing Bush's hand, for consider the question it logically raises: If the Quds Force and Hezbollah, both designated as terrorist organizations, are arming, training and directing "special groups" to "murder" Americans, and rocket and mortar the Green Zone to kill our diplomats, and they now represent the No. 1 threat to a free Iraq, why has Bush failed to neutralize these base camps of terror and aggression?

 

Hence, be not surprised if President Bush appears before the TV cameras, one day soon, to declare:

 

"My commanding general in Iraq, David Petraeus, has told me that Iran, with the knowledge of President Ahmadinejad, has become a privileged sanctuary for two terrorist organizations – Hezbollah and the Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard – to train, arm and direct terrorist attacks on U.S. and coalition forces, despite repeated promises to halt this murderous practice.

 

"I have therefore directed U.S. air and naval forces to begin air strikes on these base camps of terror. Our attacks will continue until the Iranian attacks cease."

 

Because of the failures of a Democratic Congress elected to end the war, Bush can now make a compelling case that he would be acting fully within his authority as commander in chief.

 

In early 2007, Nancy Pelosi pulled down a resolution that would have denied Bush the authority to attack Iran without congressional approval. In September, both Houses passed the Kyl-Lieberman resolution designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization.

 

Courtesy of Congress, Bush thus has a blank check for war on Iran. And the signs are growing that he intends to fill it in and cash it.

 

Israel has been hurling invective at Iran and conducting security drills to prepare its population for rocket barrages worse than those Hezbollah delivered in the Lebanon War.

 

Adm. William "Fox" Fallon, the Central Command head who opposed war with Iran, has been removed. Hamas and Hezbollah have been stocking up on Qassam and Katyusha rockets.

 

Vice President Cheney has lately toured Arab capitals.

 

And President Ahmadinejad just made international headlines by declaring that Tehran will begin installing 6,000 advanced centrifuges to accelerate Iran's enrichment of uranium.

 

This is Bush's last chance to strike and, when Iran responds, to effect its nuclear castration. Are Bush and Cheney likely to pass up this last chance to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities and effect the election of John McCain? For any attack on Iran's "terrorist bases" would rally the GOP and drive a wedge between Obama and Hillary.

 

Indeed, Sen. Clinton, who voted to declare Iran's Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, could hardly denounce Bush for ordering air strikes on the Revolutionary Guards' Quds Force, when Petraeus testified, in her presence, that it is behind the serial murder of U.S. soldiers.

 

The Iranians may sense what is afoot. For Tehran helped broker the truce in the Maliki-Sadr clash in Basra, and has called for a halt to the mortar and rocket attacks on the Green Zone.

 

With a friendly regime in Baghdad that rolled out the red carpet for Ahmadinejad, Iran has nothing to gain by war. Already, it is the big winner from the U.S. wars that took down Tehran's Taliban enemies, decimated its al-Qaida enemies and destroyed its Sunni enemies, Saddam and his Baath Party.

 

No, it is not Iran that wants a war with the United States. It is the United States that has reasons to want a short, sharp war with Iran."

[billcoe]

Nevermind, I don't think the 6th graders running our country can wait more or think further ahead than 10 min. October, although logical, is too far away - they can't wait that long.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

 

I really hope you are totally wrong. Otherwise, we are fucked.

[archenemy]

WTF is going on?

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

They were probably inspired by the movie they watched repeatedly on Airforce One:

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

Fucking Persians!

 

[JayB]

More from the World Net Daily, source of the above article:

 

"Soy is making kids 'gay'

 

There's a slow poison out there that's severely damaging our children and threatening to tear apart our culture. The ironic part is, it's a "health food," one of our most popular.

 

Now, I'm a health-food guy, a fanatic who seldom allows anything into his kitchen unless it's organic. I state my bias here just so you'll know I'm not anti-health food.

 

The dangerous food I'm speaking of is soy. Soybean products are feminizing, and they're all over the place. You can hardly escape them anymore.

 

(Column continues below)

 

I have nothing against an occasional soy snack. Soy is nutritious and contains lots of good things. Unfortunately, when you eat or drink a lot of soy stuff, you're also getting substantial quantities of estrogens.

 

Estrogens are female hormones. If you're a woman, you're flooding your system with a substance it can't handle in surplus. If you're a man, you're suppressing your masculinity and stimulating your "female side," physically and mentally.

 

In fetal development, the default is being female. All humans (even in old age) tend toward femininity. The main thing that keeps men from diverging into the female pattern is testosterone, and testosterone is suppressed by an excess of estrogen.

 

If you're a grownup, you're already developed, and you're able to fight off some of the damaging effects of soy. Babies aren't so fortunate. Research is now showing that when you feed your baby soy formula, you're giving him or her the equivalent of five birth control pills a day. A baby's endocrine system just can't cope with that kind of massive assault, so some damage is inevitable. At the extreme, the damage can be fatal.

 

Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality. That's why most of the medical (not socio-spiritual) blame for today's rise in homosexuality must fall upon the rise in soy formula and other soy products. (Most babies are bottle-fed during some part of their infancy, and one-fourth of them are getting soy milk!) Homosexuals often argue that their homosexuality is inborn because "I can't remember a time when I wasn't homosexual." No, homosexuality is always deviant. But now many of them can truthfully say that they can't remember a time when excess estrogen wasn't influencing them.

 

Doctors used to hope soy would reduce hot flashes, prevent cancer and heart disease, and save millions in the Third World from starvation. That was before they knew much about long-term soy use. Now we know it's a classic example of a cure that's worse than the disease. For example, if your baby gets colic from cow's milk, do you switch him to soy milk? Don't even think about it. His phytoestrogen level will jump to 20 times normal. If he is a she, brace yourself for watching her reach menarche as young as seven, robbing her of years of childhood. If he is a boy, it's far worse: He may not reach puberty till much later than normal.

 

Research in 2000 showed that a soy-based diet at any age can lead to a weak thyroid, which commonly produces heart problems and excess fat. Could this explain the dramatic increase in obesity today?

 

Recent research on rats shows testicular atrophy, infertility and uterus hypertrophy (enlargement). This helps explain the infertility epidemic and the sudden growth in fertility clinics. But alas, by the time a soy-damaged infant has grown to adulthood and wants to marry, it's too late to get fixed by a fertility clinic.

 

Worse, there's now scientific evidence that estrogen ingredients in soy products may be boosting the rapidly rising incidence of leukemia in children. In the latest year we have numbers for, new cases in the U.S. jumped 27 percent. In one year!

 

There's also a serious connection between soy and cancer in adults – especially breast cancer. That's why the governments of Israel, the UK, France and New Zealand are already cracking down hard on soy.

 

In sad contrast, 60 percent of the refined foods in U.S. supermarkets now contain soy. Worse, soy use may double in the next few years because (last I heard) the out-of-touch medicrats in the FDA hierarchy are considering allowing manufacturers of cereal, energy bars, fake milk, fake yogurt, etc., to claim that "soy prevents cancer." It doesn't.

 

P.S.: Soy sauce is fine. Unlike soy milk, it's perfectly safe because it's fermented, which changes its molecular structure. Miso, natto and tempeh are also OK, but avoid tofu."

 

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

 

 

[JayB]

Didn't offer that article up to dispute the original article's content, just to suggest a hitherto unacknowledged strategic alternative - promote soy consumption amongst the Iranian elite....

[archenemy]

There's a rise in homosexuality? How on earth would anyone know that? I can't imagine people in the 50's said, "Yup, I'm gay" to a census taker.

[olyclimber]

well i was wondering is turning women into butch dikes. obviously they must not be drinking enough soy.

[JayB]

There's a rise in homosexuality? How on earth would anyone know that? I can't imagine people in the 50's said, "Yup, I'm gay" to a census taker.

 

The soy lobby effectively suppressed the detailed polling data that the government has amassed during every census cycle.

 

It's currently being held under lock and key at Ted Haggard's compound in Colorado Springs. Don't be surprised if you see him knocking on doors in your neighborhood, attempting to validate the data..

[archenemy]

I'm okay with telling him that after I started eating edamame daily, I became a gay man.

[billcoe]

And from Israel as well:

 

link

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Apr 9, 2008 17:50 | Updated Apr 10, 2008 9:23

Netanyahu: 'We won't be able to deter nuclear Iran'

By JONATHAN BECK

 

 

 

"Iran will be the first nuclear state in history against which deterrence won't work, even if the deterrent is nuclear," Likud chairman Binyamin Netanyahu said Wednesday at an international conference titled "Russia, the Middle East and the Challenge of Radical Islam."

[binyamin Netanyahu speaking...]

 

Binyamin Netanyahu speaking in the "Russia, the Middle East and the Challenge of Radical Islam" international conference in Jerusalem, Wednesday.

Photo: Courtesy IDC Herzliya / Shalem Center

 

The conference was held at the Shalem Center in Jerusalem under the auspices of the center's Adelson Institute for Strategic Studies and the Eurasian Institute of the Inter-Disciplinary Center, Herzliya.

 

"Nothing will stop the Iranians - not the use of force and not a fear of being hit in retaliation," he said, adding that "every Israeli withdrawal from territories it controls leaves room for Iranian terror to enter."

 

Netanyahu added that "if in the past, Hizbullah was a state within the state of Lebanon, it seems today that the government of Lebanon is a state within a Hizbullah stronghold." "In the last 30 years, we have been living in a world where Sunni extremists succeed in attacking targets in the Western world, while on the other hand, Shi'ite Iran is rapidly advancing to the point of no return in its nuclear aspirations," the Likud leader said.

 

Regarding the conflict with the Palestinians, Netanyahu said there was "no chance that moderate factors in the Palestinian Authority will succeed in halting terror or replacing Israeli forces in securing the territory. Israel should ensure its safety on its own and provide Palestinians with the financial growth they aspire to, in order to create real peace partners."

 

Netanyahu finished his speech by stating that "unlike the common belief that peace will bring about financial improvement, history teaches us that the opposite is far truer."

 

Opening the session before Netanyahu, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Igor Navarov, who heads the North America Bureau in the Russian Foreign Ministry, said, "Russia understands that the security of one state cannot be based on upsetting the security of others."

 

Responding to a question by one of the other members of the panel, Navarov said that "Russia will not make use of its nuclear capabilities, and there is an acute need to find other solutions to the problems the world is facing."

 

However, in a statement seemingly critical of Navarov's stance, Maj.-Gen. (res.) Amos Gilad, head of the Defense Ministry's Diplomatic-Security Bureau, said that "Russia holds a central role in establishing security in the Middle East, but is no less responsible for the lack thereof."

 

Dr. Peter Gladkov, a former Putin adviser and expert on Russian policy, criticized the policy of the United States under President George W. Bush, saying that "the US's attempt to gain influence in Eurasia in fact expresses a similar characteristic in American policy against Russia. Over time, such a policy can undermine the equilibrium in Eurasian countries because the developments the US is pushing are not always in line with the region's needs."

 

Gladkov's comments were echoed in part by Prof. Uzi Arad, director of the Institute for Policy and Strategy in the IDC, who said NATO was putting too much emphasis on expanding the alliance - a preoccupation that, he said, was pushing subjects such as the Iranian threat to a low priority at the expense of a struggle between the US and Russia over their international influence.

 

Maj.-Gen. Giora Eiland, meanwhile, accused the US of "not putting a stop to the Iranian threat because this is not one of its top priorities. If the US really wanted to stop Iran, it would not waste its time on... setting up missiles in Eastern Europe. This behavior makes Russia, too, avoid entering the Iranian issue, and the US is well aware of this reality."

 

According to former Russian foreign minister Igor Ivanov, Russia was "not initiating negotiations with Iran, but ensures communication channels remain open considering the situation created by the EU and the UN. Russia will avoid talking to Iran if some other country picks up the gauntlet. It [Russia] does not see itself as initiating disputes or negotiations, but as an arbiter between different groups."

 

However, Labor MK Ephraim Sneh, who served as deputy defense minister under Amir Peretz, called Russia "the Iranian Empire's No. 1 weapons supplier," saying it "in fact arms the forces most hostile to Israel today. This is totally against the role the new Russia should be filling in the regional and international arenas."

 

He added that "escalation in the ongoing confrontation between Israel and Iran and its proxies is inevitable. This confrontation is part of a wider confrontation between western democracy and Islamic fascism, and the Russian leadership will have to pick sides - the sooner the better."

 

Closing his address, Sneh directly attacked the Russian regime: "Iran's ballistic missiles have a range of 3,500 kilometers. Take a map and a ruler and see where they reach. Also, in all of its wars, Israel was forced to fight against Russian weaponry in the hands of its enemies. If the Russians want to profit from continuing these sales, they should insist next time on getting cash."

 

[Bug]

A war with Iran would probably backfire.

Unfortunately the republicans would suffer huge losses in the election. This would create a Gov as controlled by Dems as the last was by Republicans and the pendulum would swing further. Then further back the other way. Danger! Will Robinson.

 

This would not be a good thing. We need balance and compromises in DC to get lasting changes.

[ivan]

bush I sent us troops into somalia while he was a lame duck

 

i think a very large # of folks who wouldn't mind a war w/ iran would still be alarmed by a lame duck president committing the next admin to such a monstrously large task

 

imho, probababilty of all out war w/ iran this year <1%

 

now, i wouldn't be at all suprised if bush decided to do some sorta commando or air-strike type deal in his final days - i would be equally suprised if there wasn't a huge shit-storm surronding such an act too. i am hopeful that the folks around bush wouldn't be so stupid as to provoke iran w/ an air-strike knowing they couldn't do anything to follow it up.

[kevbone]

What is the purpose of invading IRAN?

 

 

Bill....I think Oct feels about right as well. That is the time that Bush will suspend the constitution (more than he has already) and stay in office……I would not put it past him or his administration.

 

[TREETOAD]

With the economy collapsing there will be plenty more unemployed people to join the armed forces!! another republican conspiracy uncovered!! They must have planned this whole thing!

[KaskadskyjKozak]

With the economy collapsing there will be plenty more unemployed people to join the armed forces!! another republican conspiracy uncovered!! They must have planned this whole thing!

 

cool, let's invade Canada and make it a territory with no voting rights.

[dt_3pin]

cool, let's invade Canada

 

Operation Leaf Blower!

[tvashtarkatena]

I'm okay with telling him that after I started eating edamame daily, I became a gay man.

 

Ed Amame's a great guy. Go with it.

[Dannible]

A few months ago I was pretty sure that we would be in Iran right now. Now I don't think people would let that happen. There would just be too much public outcry. If Mccain gets elected, it could happen. I still have faith in people's ability to do the right thing after they've screwed up a few times.

 

If it does happen then a lot of us will get to start thinking about being drafted.

[Fairweather]

Why would anyone go to war with an office pool?

[TREETOAD]

With the economy collapsing there will be plenty more unemployed people to join the armed forces!! another republican conspiracy uncovered!! They must have planned this whole thing!

 

cool, let's invade Canada and make it a territory with no voting rights.

 

we already are, if you consider the shitheal we have for a PM, save your money for a nice public health care system.

[ivan]

Why would anyone go to war with an office pool?

you go to war w/ the office pool you have, not the office pool you want!

[Fairweather]

Yes, of course. That goes without saying, Ivan. But if your intel is bad and you attack the pool before the bikini-clad hotties have adjourned to the women's locker room, don't you risk interrupting their post-swim poolside frolic and, even worse, any chance you may have had to witness lesbean debauchery?