archenemy Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 My God man, what are you trying to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joblo7 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 advertising works? war profiteering has reached cc. com? when fascim comes to america,it will be wrapped in a flag ?? i want that ad removed? war sucks, always and foever.? Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Just having a regular phone means that you're open to several telemarketers calling you a day. You can ask to be put on their do not call list, but 90% of the time or more the call is from an automatic machine that you can scream, "put me on your do not call list you dumb ass motherfucker," but nobody will hear you. Â Just look at it as stupid advertising that you can ignore. It could be a lot worse with blinky adds that pop up in a new screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joblo7 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 insidious should be nipped . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 (edited) Nice, in one sentence you insult "most of us" and in the next paragraph you mention there are actually less than 8. Â We posture, Mike enlightens. Â And that pontification about the days of yore when the warrior cast was a venerable and honorable profession; pure Patton. Perhaps Mike should finally throw his '300' DVD out. Edited September 28, 2007 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No. 13 Baby Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Good boy, Tucker! It only took me three weeks to train you to italicize your gratuitous Latin phrases. Â STFU, n00b. At least try to employ some wit with your puerile pettiness. Your childishness is boring and tiresome. Â And Tucker's buttboy chimes in. Do you wear the bowtie, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 What is this thread about again? Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmuja Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Im OTC leftwingy (on many things) but I have no issues w the ads being here.  I admire da military grunt working class folk and the job they get called to do. I never blame the dogs for what their trained to do, just the owners/handlers <-subtle metaphor.  I shop at PCC  I hate Dave Mathews  I generally enjoy violent sporting activities  I hate Seattle liberals as much as..  ..I hate Jena LA redneck inbred racists  thank you for reading  goodbye  its a nice day  adios muddafukkas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 What is this thread about again? Â Â It's about: Â 1) whiny bitches complaining about a web site, which is privately run and paid for, accepting $$ from a US Army advertiser. These bitches don't donate cash to run the site, use it freely, and think they can dictate how the site is run. Â 2) whiny bitches accusing those who support this site accepting said $$ of being "chicken hawks" who will not enlist to fight in Iraq. Can you say "non sequitur". Â 3) whiny bitches who can't STAND someone's POV that is different from their own. These folks probably go around scratching off bumper stickers that they disagree with on parked cars, and tear down political adverts of their political opponents along the roads during election season. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 You know you can probably save a lot of time if you just spray black paint over the bumper sticker. Have you ever tried to remove one of those suckers? Man, they are tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No. 13 Baby Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Can you say "non sequitor". Â No, but I can say non sequitur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Seems ironic to me that people use their freedom of speech to bitch about those who ensure we get to keep that right. On one hand, its cool to live in a country where we get to do that. On the other hand, it is sad to live somewhere that people are not grateful for what we have. Â Maybe I am just making links where there aren't any. But I honestly believe that if some folks had their way, they would happily invade us and make us all STFU. I wouldn't like that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Maybe I am just making links where there aren't any. But I honestly believe that if some folks had their way, they would happily invade us and make us all STFU. I wouldn't like that much. Â And these folks who "had their way" would make excellent boot-licking, quisling collaborators of the said occupation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Of course, that'd be alright with me if I were the STFU Dictator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 What is this thread about again? Â Â It's about: Â 1) whiny bitches complaining about a web site, which is privately run and paid for, accepting $$ from a US Army advertiser. These bitches don't donate cash to run the site, use it freely, and think they can dictate how the site is run. Â 2) whiny bitches accusing those who support this site accepting said $$ of being "chicken hawks" who will not enlist to fight in Iraq. Can you say "non sequitur". Â 3) whiny bitches who can't STAND someone's POV that is different from their own. These folks probably go around scratching off bumper stickers that they disagree with on parked cars, and tear down political adverts of their political opponents along the roads during election season. Â Â Â Holy crap....for once we agree. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Of course, that'd be alright with me if I were the STFU Dictator. You put the dick in tater, dontcha? I knew it all along! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 What is this thread about again? Â Â It's about: Â 1) whiny bitches complaining about a web site, which is privately run and paid for, accepting $$ from a US Army advertiser. These bitches don't donate cash to run the site, use it freely, and think they can dictate how the site is run. Â 2) whiny bitches accusing those who support this site accepting said $$ of being "chicken hawks" who will not enlist to fight in Iraq. Can you say "non sequitur". Â 3) whiny bitches who can't STAND someone's POV that is different from their own. These folks probably go around scratching off bumper stickers that they disagree with on parked cars, and tear down political adverts of their political opponents along the roads during election season. Â Â Â Holy crap....for once we agree. Well said. Â I will say that I personallythink the ad looks weird and out of place. But it pays the bills, it seems. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I suppose if the owners of this site have no qualms about army recruitment in general, then taking money for their advertising is no big deal, right? I suppose if the owners of this site are ok with the way the armed forces are used, then advertising for the army is no big deal.  "get the special forces game cd FREE at goarmy.com"  I suppose if the owners of this site are ok with kids being targeted by army recruiters, then it's business as usual, right?  (At least with Joe Camel (as nefarious as it was), the victims didn't generally go out and kill others.)  I'm personally saddened by this website's owners' decision to accept money from the US army. I'm saddened to see advertising, manipulative advertising, anywhere, but to see it at a website devoted to the climbing culture (maybe I misunderstood this website's mission?) makes it harder to stomach.     my exact sentiment. we are conditioned in this country to feel that our soldiers are never wrong. our motives never devious. how could you not support that cute boy on the poster...??? we are fed this crap about freedom gained and preserved by war. honesty tells me that the freedom they are protecting is the one to make 100k a year. period. thats what we want and we will kill for it.......  appalling gullibility elects mf'r like w's it also provides trillions to a war machine. to call the result ,freedom is grotesque. man, i gotta take some serious issue with this....the armed forces are easily as professional as any company out there...they are just a tool for Washington's polit-lickers to use. You can NOT blame the military for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted September 28, 2007 Author Share Posted September 28, 2007 What's funny to me is that some of the posters demonstrating virulent opposition to this advertising, represent a cross section of the population which is least affected or disenfranchised by the war. Â Probably amongst posters here, but I'm sure you've noted the opposition amongst both active duty (a bit limited due to their situation) and former military, including a variety from general on down. Â Yet time and time again, you seem to be the most virulently vocal about it. Coffee house life has been good. You staying warm in that hotspot? Â I'd hardly call my opinion piece "virulently vocal". I just made a couple of points, sincerely felt, and instead of a substantive reply from you, I only received ad hominem attacks. How about actually responding to the points I make? Â It's a good thing that there is in reality like 8 of you who have such little regard for anything other than listening to yourselves posture. Â Heh. I don't need widespread support to hold the ideas I have, but in this case, I think the sentiments are rather widely held (at least amongst those who have spent any time studying domestic propaganda). Â The nature of society has changed since the days when barbarians used to swarm over the walls, and raze cities to the ground. At that time the profession of arms was a venerated and honorable profession. Â This line of argument is starting to feel a bit familiar. Haven't we talked about this before? The myth of the ancient warrior archetype. Â There are times when this archetype plays a fitting role, but usually in today's society, it's nothing but an advertising scheme to get people to commit their lives to the idea so that they can be manipulated for the most nefarious and un-noble ends. Case in point: Iraq. How does one such as you reconcile the nobility of the warrior with the uses that such a warrior is put to? You yourself have said that we had no business going into Iraq; how does a military man completely reconcile himself with this quandary of trying to be noble, yet being forced to live a lie by un-noble powers that be? You must agree that if we didn't have any business (business: how ironic! We DID have every business to go in, but you know what I mean) going into Iraq, then every death is tantamount to unjustified murder. Â I also find it amusing that there seems to be a hint of isolationism in some of the posts made here. As if climbing is some kind of special secret club, that only a few can enter into. Â My apologies if I came across as somehow elitist; it wasn't my intention. When I first started climbing, the ones doing it seemed to be mainly free-thinking anti-violence types, non-corporate, etc etc. I realize it has changed, or perhaps never was exactly as I have romanticized it. Â The owners of the website have the right to do whatever they want to. I don't always agree with the things they do, but I've learned over time to let them do their thing. You can bitch about it all you want. Â Of course they can, but that doesn't keep any one of us from calling bullshit on their actions (unless they ban us). Â Do remember though that they wouldn't HAVE a website without the people who visit; they don't live in a hermetically sealed environment, protected from the opinions of those who frequent the site. Â If someone is inclined to join an organization like Special Forces, which incidentally is a top-notch organization filled with people you probably would have a lot in common with, then good on them. If not, then the advertising has no affect on you whatsoever. Move on, and take a look at the gear advertisers. Support them. Â The advertising is geared towards the young and impressionable. Plus, having the advertising sitting there in front of people day and night tends to inure people to having the military be an acceptable part of culture; I strongly believe that in its present form, it isn't, and is in every way more pornographic and vulgar than the most obscene sexual content available on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serenity Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I respect your views SC. I see you think about them, and have a heartfelt approach to them. Best to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottP Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 how could you not support that cute boy on the poster...??? Â Is it just my computer, or has anybody else noticed that right after that add loads, the guys image briefly flashes as a skeleton on a white background? Â Creeepy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joblo7 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Plus, having the advertising sitting there in front of people day and night tends to inure people to having the military be an acceptable part of culture; I strongly believe that in its present form, it isn't, and is in every way more pornographic and vulgar than the most obscene sexual content available on the web. Â THAT is my opinion expressed. thanx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Plus, having the advertising sitting there in front of people day and night tends to inure people to having the military be an acceptable part of culture; I strongly believe that in its present form, it isn't, and is in every way more pornographic and vulgar than the most obscene sexual content available on the web.  THAT is my opinion expressed. thanx  The military IS an acceptable part of our culture.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joblo7 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Plus, having the advertising sitting there in front of people day and night tends to inure people to having the military be an acceptable part of culture; I strongly believe that in its present form, it isn't, and is in every way more pornographic and vulgar than the most obscene sexual content available on the web.  THAT is my opinion expressed. thanx  The military IS an acceptable part of our culture.  not for ME, NOT FOR SC, AND MILLIONS of others. it is acceptable in the mediatised world of the war profiteers.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Â not for ME, NOT FOR SC, AND MILLIONS of others. it is acceptable in the mediatised world of the war profiteers.. Â You're a freaking nut case. Having a military for self-defense is perfectly acceptable, as is a police force. You can sing Kum-ba-ya, philosophize endlessly, and compose blathering poetry all you want, but the bad guys will not be affected. You NEED to have a force and use it at times. When and how it is appropriate is another matter, but you and SC are extremist pacifist nuts who don't even want to defend yourselves. The sane world rejects that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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