Stealing fixed draws

[billcoe]

Minimal has yet to get his draws back and it has turned into a school girl ethics chip on the shoulder thing.

 

OMG, that just sounds horrible.

 

I advised Manimal to be the better man and let it go and I would advise Alpine Monkey to return the draws shack hands and get on with his climbing.

There are no ethics questions here just he said she said BS.

 

My advise is to keep looking for and to get his draws back. Monkey might have been just lying like some people do on the internet, maybe he never ever was in the area. He said, she said.

 

Nobody should be messing with your buddies stuff, conversely, some people don't think you should be leaving stuff like that up except in rare occasions. I hope he gets it back. It's bullshit no matter what.

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BTW Pope, they've done tests on real old draws - they are stronger than you think. This is the internet, search it out and you'll see it's the truth, this should get you started.

 

Black diamond breaking tests

 

OMG, Pagetop.

 

Edited to add to POOP, hey dude, yeah, I'm talkin out my ass, anyone who knows me knows that just the way it is. So what? BTW, I clip all kinds of manky crap. Thats how I roll.

 

Try to back it up...but sigh...sometimes....sometimes ya just have to slam in a couple of new bolts with the old Bosch Annilator....

Edited April 5, 2007 by billcoe

[kevbone]

You tell em Bill!

[RuMR]

man, whoever has the qd's, GIVE THEM BACK...don't be a fuckin' dick...it is not your stuff, what is so difficult about this concept???

 

[eggplant]

damn what im understanding is

 

that all sport climbers are dicks?

 

all people who started climbing after 1980 empty there trash cans at the base of climbs for fun.

 

because some of us clip bolts it automaticly makes us disrespectful?

 

listen to what some of you are saying.

you sound like idiots.

[richard_noggin]

Why when I log on to this tread with my real name there are 8 pages and when I log on with my attitude avatar there are 18 pages, the mods must know I want those xtra pages of spray

Dick Head

[billcoe]

listen to what some of you are saying.

you sound like idiots.

 

You been talkin to my wife again?

 

Its the internet. Like the Wild Wild West without any manners.

[Smoky_Mcpot]

I think everyone needs to smoke a big fatty and chill....my god your talking about a couple manky draws left at a choss pile climbing area!!!

BTW I am glad to be apart of the spray around here, we all know we would have a life if not for spraying on this site

[pink]

maybe everybody could post pictures of your quick draws and we can make a calander. what month do you want to eggplant?

[pope]

BTW Pope, they've done tests on real old draws - they are stronger than you think. This is the internet, search it out and you'll see it's the truth, this should get you started.

 

Black diamond breaking tests

 

Gee Bill, did you see any variability in that testing? At least some of the slings tested failed at forces typical of "sport climbing falls". How do you know the next fixed draw you clip isn't sitting near the lower end of those data? Do you really wish to gamble on the results of tests performed by some anonymous wieners you encountered in cyberspace? Do you really clip fixed draws or are you just talking out your ass?

 

Bottom line: climbing is dangerous enough in perfect conditions with new gear, gear that you own and the history of which is well understood by you. If you want to trust your butt to some mystery gear that's been pounded by multiple falls and exposed to who knows how many days of brilliant sunshine, be my guest. I think you're a fool.

 

Again, the folks who leave this crap hanging give every other interested party two choices: trust it, or make exaggerated efforts first to remove it before climbing. That's bullshit. I suppose a third option is to pick a different climb, but then doesn't that present some kind of monopoly on a limited resource?

 

What we have is a mentality that is perfectly consistent with sport climbing. Joe Quickdraw feels he has the right to equip a rock face with bolts exactly where he thinks they should go, without regarding the aspirations of somebody who might actually have the balls to try bolting it on lead. Maybe he'll chip a couple of holds so he can further diminish the challenge to something manageable and saccharine. He essentially monopolizes the resource and denies more capable and principled climbers the chance for a real, ground-up first ascent.

 

 

[kevbone]

maybe everybody could post pictures of your quick draws and we can make a calander. what month do you want to eggplant?

 

I think the Petzel draw should get January!

[catbirdseat]

Pope, you make some good points. The effect of leaving draws on a route is to effectively claim "ownership" of the route while you are not actually present. That's the part I don't like. I only "own" the route while I am physically there working it. One might as well leave a rope on it.

[archenemy]

Really? When did this become law? When I want to climb a route, I climb it. Hell, I'll climb past someone if they are too slow (I'll ask all nicey nice first, but I'll do it). I certainly won't let a little leftover gear stop me from climbing something I am looking to climb.

[kevbone]

Pope, you make some good points. The effect of leaving draws on a route is to effectively claim "ownership" of the route while you are not actually present. That's the part I don't like. I only "own" the route while I am physically there working it. One might as well leave a rope on it.

 

No offense but...if you dont own the rock and land the route sits on....then you dont own the route.

[richard_noggin]

 

2) Karma? How many of you really believe in that boring cliche?

 

3) The "climbing world" isn't a small place.....there are huge numbers of people calling themselves "climbers", like ants on a dropped Jolly Rancher. (see my comments somewhere about about how sport-climbing and gyms made climbing accessible to the semi-informed masses.)

 

 

 

Karma... I totally think it is a life force, even when things put me down it sets me up for something so posittive it blows me away!It feels so good to do what is right and it sooo comes around.

When you hang with possitive people it is such a different world!

the climbing world is a small place, the people who love it you will see all the time in different places crank'n and haveing fun.

live'n large in the minmal world.. Dick

[eggplant]

whatever you guys

are wankers

 

 

momma eggplant says it just fine to leave fixed draws hangin on my routes

 

[G-spotter]

That's not all yo mamma says

At least when her mouth's not busy anyway

[pope]

That's not all yo mamma says

At least when her mouth's not busy anyway

 

What's Dru have in common with a kid on spring break?

 

NO CLASS!

[kevino]

That's not all yo mamma says

At least when her mouth's not busy anyway

 

What's Dru have in common with a kid on spring break?

 

NO CLASS!

I like my women just like summer;

 

No class.

 

Oh Noreaga.

 

Thats culture for y'all.

[kevbone]

That's not all yo mamma says

At least when her mouth's not busy anyway

 

Mods...please escort this gentlemen to the door of this thread. Or would you kindly change this to spray?

 

Why is it that G spotter gets to spray where ever and when ever he wants without any notice from the mods?

 

[Dechristo]

fuckin' cry baby

[kevbone]

Who the fuck is crying? Just pointing out the obvious! This was a good discussion that stayed the course, out of spray. Then we have G-spotter. Spraying away.

[area51]

don't ya know you are supposed to zip tie the biner to the hanger.....

[kevbone]

Is there still snow at Area 51?

[Dechristo]

don't ya know you are supposed to zip tie the biner to the hanger.....

 

OMFG! That's even MORE garbage being foisted upon the eyes of The Purist!

[SemoreJugs]

Okay, slightly off topic, but this mentality of helping oneself to "abandoned gear" is everywhere anymore.

 

I arrived at stone gardens on a Wednesday evening. I realized I didn't have my chalk bag in my pack. I figured I left it at home. Oh well, it will be a low friction day, I figure... I was at the gym two days prior with chalk bag.

 

Then I decide to do some bouldering. There is this guy with black curly hair, about 5'10" and medium build. Like an ugly, taller Fred Savage. Anyway, he is hogging up the curved overhanging wall when there are 4 other people waiting to climb. You know the type of guy, he does about two moves, falls, then stands 2 feet in front of the wall just kind of looking at it. about a minute goes by, he gets back on, flails, and repeats.

 

So I'm already aggravated, finally, he gets out of the damned way and goes to chalk up. I notice that he has a chalk bag that looks just like mine. In fact, it has a belt with a specific pattern that did not come with the chalk bag. Its my FREAKING bag.

 

I can't believe this douche nozzle is defiling my chalk bag! I immediately go up to him and ask, "Did you find this chalk bag?"

 

He is stunned. He can see the thirst for vengeance in my eyes. "Uhhhhh, I found it in the lost and found in the "old" pile"

 

ME: "That doesn't make sense, because I last used my bag two days ago."

 

DN: "Oh well, I lost my bag, I didnt see it in the lost and found, so I took this one."

 

ME: death stare

 

DN: "here"

 

So I get my bag back, and he leaves the area...

 

LAter, as I am packing up to leave (making sure I have all my possesions), I see douchenozzle walking up the stairs to the lost and found with an employee presumably poaching more lost items.

 

WTF? Does my life have to be the lost seasons of Seinfeld?

 

 

 

Edited April 24, 2009 by SemoreJugs