rob Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I once met a man who told me that he could talk to walls. I don't think he was lying to me, but that doesn't mean I think the walls are really talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 It's really easy to claim that you experienced the after life, but it might be just as easy to say that your body went through its own process of returning to normal life. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Â See that what I was saying before, no matter what I say you discount it. Â Â So you present something that is scintillating yet enigmatic and very much open to interpretation, and then are outraged that she isn't an instant convert. Sounds like you have an agenda. Â A woman once showed me her bible on an airplane and told me "it's all in there", as if that settled it. She also went on to explain that the spruce bark beetle tree kills that have spread across much of British Columbia and Alaska were definitive proof that God is punishing environmentalists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Of interest to me is what, through science, goes from what was once irrational to rational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 (edited) this is funny    Atheists have deathbed experiences and near-death experiences just like everyone else does. The philosophy of Positivism, founded by the famous atheist named A. J. Ayer, is the philosophy that anything not verifiable by the senses is nonsense. Because NDEs mark the end of the senses, Positivists believe the survival of the senses after death is nonsense. But this philosophy has been challenged by its founder A. J. Ayer himself. Later in life, Ayer had a NDE where he saw a red light. Ayer's NDE made him a changed man: "My recent experiences, have slightly weakened my conviction that my genuine death ... will be the end of me, though I continue to hope that it will be." (Ayer, 1988 a,b) (Read more about it from an article in the National Post and an article by Gerry Lougrhan: Can there be life after life? Ask the atheist! (by Gerry Lougrhan, Letter_From_London, March 18, 2001.)  A non-NDE example comes from Antony Flew, a champion of atheist beliefs for more than 50 years. In a news article titled "Atheist Discovers 'The Science of God'": "One of Britain's most prominent atheists has decided that God might exist after all. Prof Antony Flew, said scientific evidence supports the theory that some sort of intelligence created the universe. Professor Flew, 81, a professor emeritus of philosophy at the University of Reading, said that this was the only explanation for the origin of life ... "I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots - cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said in his new video, "Has Science Discovered God?"    Edited February 13, 2007 by Seahawks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 "Has Science Discovered God?" Â NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 It's really easy to claim that you experienced the after life, but it might be just as easy to say that your body went through its own process of returning to normal life. Â nice perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 "Has Science Discovered God?" Â NO Â Has it discovered there isn't a God?? NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 "Has Science Discovered God?" Â NO Â Has it discovered there isn't a God?? NO Â it's tough to prove a negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 What about people who have near-death experiences and didn't see god? What's their problem, they didn't go to church enough as a kid? Â Sounds like a skewed control group to me. Interview some dead guys and then let's talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 What about people who have near-death experiences and didn't see god? What's their problem, they didn't go to church enough as a kid? Â Sounds like a skewed control group to me. Interview some dead guys and then let's talk. Â That would prove my point even more, Dead is not dead. something else exist. I didn't say what that was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Of interest to me is what, through science, goes from what was once irrational to rational. Â Christians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 well, I'm glad you got it all figured out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Of interest to me is what, through science, goes from what was once irrational to rational.  Christians  I want the list of churches, were is your documentations? references? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 "Has Science Discovered God?"  NO  Has it discovered there isn't a God?? NO  it's tough to prove a negative.  I agree with Minx….what kind of mixed up thinking is this. I believe you have to prove God excises long before I have to prove he does not exist, simply because that is the 6000 year old debate…..not the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Of interest to me is what, through science, goes from what was once irrational to rational.  Christians  I want the list of churches, were is your documentations? references?  They're in your bible. Just stand on your head for awhile and then, when you're about to pass out, hold any random page up to a mirror. Read the text backwards. All will be made clear. Oh, don't forget to draw a pentacle on the floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 "My recent experiences, have slightly weakened my conviction that my genuine death ... will be the end of me, though I continue to hope that it will be." Â heh, heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dead is not dead. something else exist. Â I can't believe no one's gone for the Zombie Jesus 2-pt shot... Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 "Has Science Discovered God?"  NO  Has it discovered there isn't a God?? NO  it's tough to prove a negative.  I agree with Minx….what kind of mixed up thinking is this. I believe you have to prove God excises long before I have to prove he does not exist, simply because that is the 6000 year old debate…..not the other way around.  yawn.... Prove he doesn't. I personally don't care. It too bad you've chosen your path but you've been given enough. Therefor you will be with out excuse later. So I don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dead is not dead. something else exist.  Dead is not dead……more drivel from the loosing team..  Are you telling me my mother is not dead? Let’s see, I watched her pass away when I was ten years old. She died of breast cancer. And now you are telling me she has been alive for 23 year? WTF?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 seecocks is a nut job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dead is not dead. something else exist.  Dead is not dead……more drivel from the loosing team..  Are you telling me my mother is not dead? Let’s see, I watched her pass away when I was ten years old. She died of breast cancer. And now you are telling me she has been alive for 23 year? WTF?  Your an idiot. Have you read anything??? Man you are so dense. Fricking idiot. Go back read what we were talking about then open your clams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Dead is not dead. something else exist.  Dead is not dead……more drivel from the loosing team..  Are you telling me my mother is not dead? Let’s see, I watched her pass away when I was ten years old. She died of breast cancer. And now you are telling me she has been alive for 23 year? WTF?  Your an idiot.  Kevin = idiot is a tautology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 seecocks is a nut job  boy real intelligent. What did I expect from someone naming themselves G-spotter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foraker Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 seecocks is a nut job  boy real intelligent. What did I expect from someone naming themselves G-spotter.  hypocrite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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