G-spotter Posted January 2, 2007 Posted January 2, 2007 Yeah, but you'll have to pay him to be your "mentor." Heehee you said "mentor" and H-o_R said "balls" in the same thread! Quote
SemoreJugs Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 I'm not sure what is worse: Crossing the Skykomish in Winter, extracting one's testicles, and postholing on the other side , or getting one's ass ripped open by you guys. I'll give Jammin this, he has grace under fierce criticism (probably because it fails to register at all). Just imagine this thread if Arc were subjected party Quote
Jamin Posted January 5, 2007 Author Posted January 5, 2007 (edited) Well guys, I am just curious about what you guys would rate class 3, 4, or 5. Do you guys have a table that shows all the stages of the different catergories. I know pup on the mountain, who is an experienced climber, rated things different than me. I always thought of class 3 as something you wouldn't fall off very easily, class 4 as something that you could die on if you made a bad mistake but probably doable without a rope, and class 5 as a something that you would not think of doing without a rope. I was going through a few pictures of my climbs last year, and I was wondering what you would rate this. I would rate at class 3 using the Fred Beckey system because the handholds were very solid, and I almost certainly would not have fallen because it wasn't bad or anything. However, if I had fallen, I would have not survived. I am sort of confused about this. If the terrain is easy, but there is tons of exposure, what would it be rated as? I think Fred Beckey would rate it as only three. However,some climbers would rate Beckey's class 3 as class 5 due to exposure. So what if you have a section of rock to traverse that consists of a 4 inch ledge to walk on and a few meager handholds but you would only break your leg or get scratched up if you fell, could it really be called class 5 (outside of bouldering). Edited January 5, 2007 by Jamin Quote
tazz Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 This is how I have always known it to be, (Can be subjective though IMO) C1 hiking C2 hiking some off trail in more rugged uneven terrain ( I have seen hikers On class 2 that think they are on class 4, quite comical) C3 some use of hands with some exposure. Could result in injury or possible death. (many folks have died falling from class 3 stuff, Ed from NWhikers, for example, and many more) C4 use of hands with much exposure. A fall will result in serious injury and/or death (most sane folks will rope up for this) C5 ropes used, a fall would NOT be good so don't Quote
G-spotter Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 Those sound like "hiking definitions". They are wrong. Class 1 = hiking. Including off trail hiking, screefields, whatever. Class 2 = scrambling on rock but not requiring constant use of hands Class 3 = constant use of hands, exposure, but easy enough a rope is not required Class 4 = shortroping or simulclimbing terrain Class 5 = technical climbing. Class 3 and 4 overlap and both overlap with the lower end of Class 5. They are not exclusive definitions. Quote
tazz Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 I am not worthy...... I bow down and cower to you. Do you want me to kiss your feet too or just your ass? Quote
sweatinoutliquor Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 My understanding is that class ratings have anything to do with "falling to your death potential", and are more related to the difficulty of the moves. Quote
tazz Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 here is one version of yosemite decimal system Quote
Weekend_Climberz Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 I think Fred Beckey would rate it as only three. Fred rate's his driveway as 5.7... Quote
Jamin Posted January 5, 2007 Author Posted January 5, 2007 Um, well I have been on some routes that he rates as class 3, and well, frankly, I have been scared spitless. Then I learn that it was rated class 4 or 5 by somebody else. I am sort of wondering why this is. I like that Alaskan Rating System. So g-spotter, why would you rate it class 2 rather than 3. Just curious. Quote
G-spotter Posted January 5, 2007 Posted January 5, 2007 Cause it's a slab and does not require constant use of hands. Just occasional boulder moves. Quote
Rastus Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 Looks like Bald Eagle Peak. Class 2 bro... Quote
DirtyHarry Posted January 7, 2007 Posted January 7, 2007 If'n there are rocks, roots, divots, depressions, or other obstructions in the trail I wold automatically rate is class 5 because you could fall out of your wheelchair and die and not make your first winter ascent (FWA), and more importantly, not be able to post about it on the interwebs. Quote
whidbey Posted January 8, 2007 Posted January 8, 2007 Pup and I did attempt the Kautz route on the Deer this past summer. I had a great time and we never got close to the summit. Pup got sick and we turned around and headed down the mountain. I had a good time and missing the summit did suck but pup was having problems with the altitude and so the following day we headed out. I messed up the route on the way out and he never bitched or complained... we both got out alive and will live to climb another day. He's a little slow... never bothered me. Made me feel strong ... Enjoyed the trip and had a great time. Learned lots of beta for the route and would do it with him again... as long a we had an extra day at high camp...... the Kautze route and high camp at 11K is a bitch... he's a good guy and I would climb with him again if he wanted to climb. Good guy. Quote
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