you don't give a fuck

[tvashtarkatena]

I prefer being rejected by the local latinas who've seen 50 of me.

Try learning how to dance.

 

We want people to tell us "the positive" and have a "positive agenda" and value that ahead of the negative.

Want respect? Show some.

[Dechristo]

you don't give a fuck about misplaced

[RemoWilliams]

All you guys talking about sanctions against China for human rights abuses are hilarious. China owns the US. At any moment they could unload all the billions in US T-Bills they bought and banrupt the nation. Think they give a shit?

[cj001f]

I prefer being rejected by the local latinas who've seen 50 of me.

Try learning how to dance.

 

We want people to tell us "the positive" and have a "positive agenda" and value that ahead of the negative.

Want respect? Show some.

 

We've gotten the bellicose conservative and the witty condscending conservative to post - now I need a self described independant chiming in with their disgust for tic-tac-toe.

 

Ah, this thread, so perfect, so perfect. We've turned death into sideshow laughter and amusement.

[JayB]

Except that in so doing they'd nuke the value of these same T-Bills, which make up a non-trivial part of the states assets, and then they'd have to turn around and invest at least as much money buying dollar-denominated assets of some sort to keep their currency stable relative to the dollar, lest they crush the competitiveness of their exports and the leading market for them all at once.

 

The T-Bills are like a financial suicide belt around their waists, and I doubt they'll be inclined to detonate it aboard the American bus any time soon.

[tvashtarkatena]

We've gotten the bellicose conservative and the witty condscending conservative to post.

I'm dying to know which one I am.

 

Good luck with your boycott. I prefer working on issues closer to home where I actually, at times, get some measureable results.

[JayB]

I prefer being rejected by the local latinas who've seen 50 of me.

Try learning how to dance.

 

We want people to tell us "the positive" and have a "positive agenda" and value that ahead of the negative.

Want respect? Show some.

 

We've gotten the bellicose conservative and the witty condscending conservative to post - now I need a self described independant chiming in with their disgust for tic-tac-toe.

 

Ah, this thread, so perfect, so perfect. We've turned death into sideshow laughter and amusement.

 

What's really a shame is that there's no hot latina socialists nearby that you can impress by pointing out these shortcomings. "Look at them. [shakes head with a slow, wistful thoughtfulness]. Just look at them. They've become so morally anesthetized and easily distracted by the wanton consumerism that their society is errected upon that...[sighs briefly for effect and looks skyward for a moment] they skip from genocide to glib inanities without missing a beat. They're so unlike...[pauses and turns to her]..you"

[olyclimber]

JayB, playwright.

[cj001f]

What's really a shame is that there's no hot latina socialists nearby that you can impress by pointing out these shortcomings. "Look at them. [shakes head with a slow, wistful thoughtfulness]. Just look at them. They've become so morally anesthetized and easily distracted by the wanton consumerism that their society is errected upon that [sighs briefly for effect and looks skyarward for a moment] they skip from genocide to glib inanities without missing a beat. They're so unlike...[pauses and turns to her] you...."

 

If it makes you feel better JayB, if it makes you feel better. All sides of the American electorate - from right of Attila the hun (Ayn Rand followers) to those left of Lenin (chomskyists) seem to prefer spectacle to substantive debate now. I could go on and tritely characterize your Hayek quoting cigar smoking conservatism, but it's just another actor in the tragedy, a rather sad and boring opera. You can argue whatever causations you want; it matters not to me - but it illustrates well why we don't give a fuck.

[SmallShoes]

Something tells me we've glimpsed a part of Carl's pick up routine when abroad. Choose the appropriate setting, then throw your hands up and exclaim " So typically American. Tell us the hard truth - but make sure it's sugarcoated and doesn't hurt to much!!!!"...

 

Then dig out the latest Chomsky tome, crank-up the Manu Chao on the ipod and slyly but furtively dart eyes about the room to see if the euro/latin/backpacker chicks within earshot happen to notice the dissafected/yankee-dissident/sophisticate/citizen-of-the-world-that-has-yet-to-emigrate-despite-his-grievances who's so different from his more noxious gun-toting-banjo-playing-sisterhumping-fundamentalist countrymen, understands the sheer infallibility of the grand globo-euro-lefto consensus, etc - and stands out from all of the other dissaffected/sophisticate/yankee-dissident types cruising around tyring to churn up a little action with the well-rehearsed Chomsky/Zinn/Said riff while they're traveling between semesters.

We've gotten the bellicose conservative and the witty condscending conservative to post - now I need a self described independant chiming in with their disgust for tic-tac-toe.

What's really a shame is that there's no hot latina socialists nearby that you can impress by pointing out these shortcomings. "Look at them. [shakes head with a slow, wistful thoughtfulness]. Just look at them. They've become so morally anesthetized and easily distracted by the wanton consumerism that their society is errected upon that...[sighs briefly for effect and looks skyward for a moment] they skip from genocide to glib inanities without missing a beat. They're so unlike...[pauses and turns to her]..you"

Stereotyping people who stereotype others. What's that word? I think it begins with an "i". And what happened to that link about ad hominem attacks and the logical fallacies associated with them? Oh that's right Gary posted it so I guess no one read it.

Well let's continue with the sardonic/cynical remarks about the opposition and ignore the issue. Seems to be doing working well for our government. Oops, there I go again committing the error I'm pointing out.

Yeah, yeah. I know I'm just in spray.

[tvashtarkatena]

Stereotyping people who stereotype others. What's that word?

quadrotyping, I believe.

 

You know, if anyone's looking for a cause with some immediate, American-style gratification, we do have an election coming up. Canvassing to bring out infrequent voters will decide this one, as always. Plus, you can always continue the debate with your canvassing partner in between having various doors slammed in your face. It's fun!

 

Anyone interested in getting infrequent voters to cast their ballots for the Dems in the Ballard area, PM me. We can use all the help we can get. Hot latinas welcome. Free copy of "Hegemony or Survival" to the one who gets the most infrequent voters to the polls.

Edited October 16, 2006 by tvashtarkatena

[JayB]

What's really a shame is that there's no hot latina socialists nearby that you can impress by pointing out these shortcomings. "Look at them. [shakes head with a slow, wistful thoughtfulness]. Just look at them. They've become so morally anesthetized and easily distracted by the wanton consumerism that their society is errected upon that [sighs briefly for effect and looks skyarward for a moment] they skip from genocide to glib inanities without missing a beat. They're so unlike...[pauses and turns to her] you...."

 

If it makes you feel better JayB, if it makes you feel better. All sides of the American electorate - from right of Attila the hun (Ayn Rand followers) to those left of Lenin (chomskyists) seem to prefer spectacle to substantive debate now. I could go on and tritely characterize your Hayek quoting cigar smoking conservatism, but it's just another actor in the tragedy, a rather sad and boring opera. You can argue whatever causations you want; it matters not to me - but it illustrates well why we don't give a fuck.

 

Excellent retort. Thanks for the missive from the realm of world-weary, cigarette-on-an-extender smoking/waving dramato-nihilism mixed with a dash of self-dramatizing ennui.

[cj001f]

Excellent retort. Thanks for the missive from the realm of world-weary, cigarette-on-an-extender smoking/waving dramato-nihilism mixed with a dash of self-dramatizing ennui.

 

Nicely countered with the same disdainful faux-optimism I was criticizing! We could go about this endgame forever with people only evaluating us on the form and wit of our retorts and not the content of our speach .... and that'd be just like politics

 

Somehow I think the Indians and Chinese are laughing harder though.

[archenemy]

Stereotyping people who stereotype others. What's that word?

quadrotyping, I believe.

 

You know, if anyone's looking for a cause with some immediate, American-style gratification, we do have an election coming up. Canvassing to bring out infrequent voters will decide this one, as always. Plus, you can always continue the debate with your canvassing partner in between having various doors slammed in your face. It's fun!

 

Anyone interested in getting infrequent voters to cast their ballots for the Dems in the Ballard area, PM me. We can use all the help we can get. Hot, latinas welcome. Free copy of "Hegemony or Survival" to the one who gets the most infrequent voters to the polls.

Sweet, now we know which one you are.

Chauvinist.

[tvashtarkatena]

Anyone interested in getting infrequent voters to cast their ballots for the Dems in the Ballard area, PM me. We can use all the help we can get. Hot, latinas welcome. Free copy of "Hegemony or Survival" to the one who gets the most infrequent voters to the polls.

 

 

Sweet, now we know which one you are.

Chauvinist.

 

I beg your pardon? I firmly believe in equal rights for hot latinas.

 

Conservative alien salsa-dancing Democrats unite!

Edited October 16, 2006 by tvashtarkatena

[knotzen]

There is immoral, um, "inappropriate" killing all over the world, every day. Heck, there was even a homicide here in Issaquah this weekend (the perp set the body afire to wipe out the evidence).

 

I have no control over it. I really believe that.

 

speaking up =/not caring, and empathy, and a desire to help powerless people

 

If you have a practical idea of how I, knotzen, can stop the killing and persecution and pain of hundreds of thousands of fellow humans, I am listening, GGK.

[tvashtarkatena]

If you have a practical idea of how I, knotzen, can stop the killing and persecution and pain of hundreds of thousands of fellow humans, I am listening, GGK.

Don't vote Republican for starters...

[knotzen]

If you have a practical idea of how I, knotzen, can stop the killing and persecution and pain of hundreds of thousands of fellow humans, I am listening, GGK.

Don't vote Republican for starters...

Dude, I'm so there. Can't wait!!!

[glassgowkiss]

for starters i don't buy this bs about not antagonizing china. that was the same rethoric used in dealings with soviets. and finally reagan told them to fuck off and they did.

yes, you can change thing- first by voting. someone could write an official letter signed by cc.com condoning the incident. once i was told for eacch signed name they count 800 votes.

also one thing i'd like to mention. this is not an isolated incident. this is deliberate and systematic extermination of the nation.

[tvashtarkatena]

for starters i don't buy this bs about not antagonizing china. that was the same rethoric used in dealings with soviets. and finally reagan told them to fuck off and they did.

That's a bit of a re-writing of history. Soviet failure in Afghanistan and burgeoning pro-democracy movements in client states had much more to do with their collapse than Carter's (Reagan continued and expanded it) military buildup. In addition, whatever influence Reagan had on the USSR was due to the rise of Gorbachev, who was uniquely receptive to some of Reagan's ideas. Their relations were quite friendly, as I recall. We didn't tell the soviets to fuck off (they had too many nukes pointed our way for that...unlike China, which never has)...we wooed them. At that point, leaders such as Gorbachev knew the gig, militarily and financially, was up anyway.

 

Fast forward to China today. Our watered down response to North Korea's recent fireworks display illustrates the leverage we have over China. Not much. Our president isn't quite the diplomat Reagan was, to say the least. China has no Gorbachev. And China, unlike the Soviets, is far from collapsing.

 

Change is most likely when you deal realistically with the world that is. As horrific as the events in Tibet may be, the US government couldn't give less of a damn. It's got its back against the wall in two failing wars. Iran's emerging as the #1 regional power (you can soon preface that with 'nuclear') in the middle East and the second largest oil producing nation. Much of that oil will likely go to, you guessed it, China. What, exactly, are we going to deny China at this point, when we say 'fuck off?'

 

A dialogue with China about how bloody snow on the Tibetan plateau will smear their image during their coming out party in 2008 would probably do more good than a thousand hollow 'fuck you's'. If I were you, I'd hook up with whatever organization has made the most progress at making such a dialogue happen. My guess is that it's probably not cc.com.

Edited October 16, 2006 by tvashtarkatena

[fear_and_greed]

... once i was told for eacch signed name they count 800 votes.

That only happens when Republicans are counting the votes in Florida.

[Mr_Phil]

Hey, let's get the American army to invade and install a democratic government!

 

I'm sure it will work as well in Tibet as it did in Iraq

and Afganistan.

[G-spotter]

Hey, let's get the American army to invade* and install a democratic government!

 

*Afganistan.

 

They could even drive there! Just take a spin on over from Kabul. hummr convoy

[bwrts]

ggk posts to this site with a computer built entirely in poland, apparently.

don't know where Macs are made. for sure i'll be more cautious what products i am buying from now on. and at least i voiced my opinion. have you?

 

missed this thread...perhaps more red flags and fucks in the post are needed for people like me to notice. Honestly, I have to say america does not give a fuck but they also do not realize that our debt to china is HUGE and one day those chineese sons of bitches are going down...er, I mean will ask to collect there money due...w/interest of course.

 

for a good laugh====> click this: probably posted before but still funny and scary really......

[KaskadskyjKozak]

That's a bit of a re-writing of history. Soviet failure in Afghanistan and burgeoning pro-democracy movements in client states had much more to do with their collapse than Carter's (Reagan continued and expanded it) military buildup. In addition, whatever influence Reagan had on the USSR was due to the rise of Gorbachev, who was uniquely receptive to some of Reagan's ideas. Their relations were quite friendly, as I recall. We didn't tell the soviets to fuck off (they had too many nukes pointed our way for that...unlike China, which never has)...we wooed them.

 

 

Gotta love it... a revisionist ass-clown accuses GGK of rewriting history, then proceeds to try to blow smoke up everyone's ass with distortions that would make the Chi-Comms proud.

 

Hey, what part of Carter's massive military buildup are you referring to? His B-1 program? The MX missile system? And I'll bet GGK can school you backwards and forwards concerning tovarish Mikhail Sergeyevich...