jblakley Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 I think it boils down to individuals rather than an entire organization. If the "leader" of a group from any organization is a prick then the assumption is that the whole organization are pricks. I believe it's called stereotyping and yeah I've been guilty of it specifically against the mountaineers. I'm with Fred. I think there are just more people getting out and climbing is a dangerous sport. I've been climbing for about 9 years now and that was the first major accident I've been witness to. I've been lucky. Glad to see you guys are relieved she's ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrosaurus Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 Q: What do The Mountaineers have in common with Oscar Meyer weiners? A: You only find them in packs of eight, sixteen, twenty-four, thirty-two, forty, forty-eight, fifty-six, sixty-four, seventy-two, eighty ... [This message has been edited by Retrosaurus (edited 05-08-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 Hhahahahahahah Right on Retro! Hahahahahahh! You can always spot them a mile away with their helmets with nametape, long underwear, and big clogging boots. Or mit rack you could climb a big wall with. Hahhahahahahhahahah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrosaurus Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 Isn't that a dating service for people that drive Jeep Cherokees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 not sure how everyone figures that a self taught climber is dangerous or ill equipped to deal witht he rigors of climbing. all of my tight friends/partners are self taught we all taught each other. then again we have never stopped leaning the art of rock craft. as self taught climbers, we have 1st ascent in alaska, many, many walls, .12 sport and .11 trad and hard ice. we are alos self taught kayakers, skiers and any other sport you could want to try. some poeple have the desire and not the money. i think fred said that he had heard customers of a mtneering school whining about the climb. that just shows the different motivation levels and the different types of deisre to climb and to climb for fun. i think the biggest thing that people lose about climbing is the fun. i can illustrate this through yesterday. we climbed at little si in the earlier part of the day, most of the people we met at the crag, had some sort of attitude or chip on the thier shoulder. overall they were not forthcoming friendly. some even seemed not to want ot be there!? in the afternoon we went and ran mt si. every person we met on the trail said "hi" and they all seemed to be enjoying what they were doing. where is the fun! regardless i don't really care where the mtneers are. if you don't like them sack it up and move off the easier routes where it is obvious where the mtneers practice their skills. so in the end. self taught climbers can be safe and climb hard. and mtneers have the right to climb as well. (truthfully it is not a right but a privlage, but never mind that) Â so just go have FUN! i also hope that whom ever was injured is okay. [This message has been edited by erik (edited 05-08-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 No need to get all fuzzy and sensitive Edog. This is not a MTNR bashfest , uhuhm yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrosaurus Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 Hey Cpt, The reason that they wouldn't let your bud share their campsite is that they didn't want any extra competition for the tent-hopping event later that night. It's not their fault, they have just been watching too much "Survivor" on TV and your bud was voted out of their tribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 Mtnrs outhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drederek Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 Does anyone know if the Mtnrs have a site that says where they'll be? I have not had the greatest luck in avoiding them at times and have not always handled it very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffo Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 Mountaineer bashing is so easy to do....Can't we all just get along? If your heading to the icicle on a sat or sun that's what ya get. (lots of people) But mountaineers need to learn: go midweek with your giganto groups, learn climbing ettiqute(don't hog climbs, make efforts to let other get a chance) and remember the climbers who you may be turning your noses to, are the ones who will(or might) rescue you!(that goes for everybody and even rhymes!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To_The_Top Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 Find someone that gets the newsletter "go Guide, the Mountaineers" (I think, or get one at the club DT) and see what they are up to. On some more popular climbs I plan around it. I don't know of a web site, but I bet there is one. I respect the club, but after several run ins I keep away from them. There always is a leader who doesn't know the big picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 Hmmm I wonder...could there be a site that tells where the mounties are going? Hmmm....? Maybe www.mountaineers.org? Hmm....? chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 http://www.eskimo.com/~pc22/CC/cc.html Follow the links to current climbs. Then you can just bitch about not being able to go somewhere because there will be Mountaineers there. Incidentally, The Mountaineers Climbing Courses are generally in the Icicle during the month of April The rest of the year, it's just normal folk. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolanr Posted May 10, 2001 Share Posted May 10, 2001 I heard a little rumour that there will be an army of about 200 Mountaineers at Ingalls Peak on June 3rd (I think that's the right date). If it's true, don't plan on parking at the parking lot or climbing anything around the south side of Stuart that weekend because the whole area will be overrun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drederek Posted May 10, 2001 Share Posted May 10, 2001 Thanks Chuck, I didn't think it could be that easy. I'll check before I drive to spire rock next time or anywhere else. D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrosaurus Posted May 10, 2001 Share Posted May 10, 2001 I will be at Ingalls Peak on the 2nd of June with 40 cub scouts. We will fix lines on all routes in the vicinity and then on the 3rd everything will be in place for extended top-roping and trundling clinic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted May 10, 2001 Share Posted May 10, 2001 Super! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EV Posted May 10, 2001 Share Posted May 10, 2001 The problem with your cub scout group being out there is my church group with 30 kids will be there; and a friend's girl scout troop will be there, also, at that same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted May 10, 2001 Share Posted May 10, 2001 Hey Capt. Caveman, ya hear that? Girl Scouts? That's almost as good as the Sheclimbs Festival for a chance to get lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrosaurus Posted May 10, 2001 Share Posted May 10, 2001 Hey Cpt, The reason that that outhouse works for the Mtneers is that they are so used to hiking nuts-to-butts, that they never notice the smell or even if something gets on them. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freak Posted May 10, 2001 Author Share Posted May 10, 2001 I dont agree with mass produceing climbers. as far as camping goes, that was me in the pullout, I came in very late and left in the morning, just slept in my car, and bailed. Sorry I dident know that was bad karma. ALso i have a question regarding access to the rat creek boulder, is that a go? I was up there lookin the other way when passing the (no tresspassing) sighns, a friend told me that it was writen into the lease of the property that the owner's had to allow access to that boulder. Can any one verify this? nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted May 10, 2001 Share Posted May 10, 2001 Reptile man kicks but Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfort Posted May 11, 2001 Share Posted May 11, 2001 A very helpful link on my Links pages is the "Planning a trip? Find out which places to avoid" link: http://praxis.etla.net/~philfort/Links.html They have a great search engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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