EWolfe Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 excerpts link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swaterfall Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Saw it on C-span last night. He made some good points and was really aggressive. Why wasn't he like this 4 years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted May 27, 2004 Author Share Posted May 27, 2004 Yeah, no kidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jja Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 All I've got to say is, Please more Al Gore !! Republicans Love It When Gore Gets Mad The more screaming, the better. For the record, Republican officials are denouncing the speech that former vice president Al Gore gave yesterday condemning the Bush administration's handling of the war in Iraq and the larger war on terror. But privately, GOP strategists say they are "delighted" that Gore, whose speeches include rhetorical extremes and are delivered with vein-popping fury, has apparently taken a high-profile role as a surrogate for the Kerry campaign. Such performances, GOP insiders believe, will eventually alienate all but the most dedicated Democratic base voters. Read the whole piece here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klenke Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Saw it on C-span last night. He made some good points and was really aggressive. Why wasn't he like this 4 years ago? Uh, because 4 years ago he was running for President. You don't want to come off like that as a candidate for President. Look what happened to the "good doctor" Dean. Aaaaaaaaghhhuuhhaaaa! It's no surprise what you can say or how you can say it when you're not in public office. Did Gore get paid for that tirade? Maybe he got paid by the decibel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjd Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Powerful Gore Speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 They can't be too happy and afrid he is going to "alienate" voters...after all he got quite a few more votes than the shitbag president last time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Perhaps you should read liberal columnist Maureen Dowd's take on Mr. Gore's speech yesterday. I've highlighted a portion that probably applies to many here..."The Wackadoo wing of The Democratic Party". Thank God that Al Gore is not president of The United States. I believe now, more than ever, that the man has serious mental defects. Sounds like even the "Bushie"-hating liberal, Maureen Dowd is scratching her head about Gore.... OP-ED COLUMNIST Marquis de Bush? By MAUREEN DOWD Published: May 27, 2004 An outraged president called yesterday for the immediate resignations of Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, George Tenet, Condoleezza Rice, Douglas Feith and Stephen Cambone. Unfortunately, it wasn't the president in the White House. It was the shadow president, the one who won the popular vote. Thundering at New York University about the man the Supreme Court chose over him, Al Gore said, "He has created more anger and righteous indignation against us as Americans than any leader of our country in the 228 years of our existence as a nation." Holy Nixon! The former vice president accused the commander in chief of being responsible for "an American gulag" in Abu Ghraib, as depraved as anything devised by the Marquis de Sade. It was hard to tell whether President Bush would be more offended by the sadomasochism or by the fact that the marquis was French. Mr. Gore blasted the administration's "twisted values" and dominatrix attitude toward the world: "Dominance is as dominance does." "George W. Bush promised us a foreign policy with humility," he said, in one of the most virulent attacks on a sitting president ever made by such a high-ranking former official. "Instead, he has brought us humiliation in the eyes of the world." (He did not ask the neocon cabal ringleader, Dick Cheney, to step down, perhaps in a spirit of second-banana solidarity.) John Kerry's advisers were surprised and annoyed to hear that Mr. Gore hollered so much, he made Howard Dean look like George Pataki. They don't want voters to be reminded of the wackadoo wing of the Democratic Party. They would like Mr. Gore, who brought bad karma to Mr. Dean with his primary endorsement, to zip it and go away. But more and more Democrats think it is Mr. Kerry who should zip it and go away. Mr. Kerry has made a huge $25 million ad buy in recent weeks, believing that the better voters know him, the more they'll like him. But many Democrats fear he's one of those supercilious/smarmy candidates (like Al Gore) for whom the opposite is true: the more you know him, the less you want to see him. They wonder whether Mr. Kerry should just let the campaign be Bush vs. Bush. As the president's old running buddy, Lee Atwater, used to say, don't get in the way when your rival's busy shooting himself. Couldn't the Democratic standard-bearer use a William McKinley front-porch strategy, talking only to those who bother to show up at his front porch? After all, Mr. Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, have five front porches, stretching from Sun Valley to Nantucket and Georgetown. Mr. Kerry, once a critic of campaign financing abuses, had toyed with the idea of not accepting the nomination at his nominating convention so he could spend even more in contributions. While he announced yesterday that he had dropped that belittled idea, maybe he just didn't take the plan far enough. Maybe he shouldn't go down from his town house on Beacon Hill to the Fleet Center at all. The conventioneers may be more galvanized if they focus on vividly vivisecting Mr. Bush, instead of being dulled to distraction by Mr. Kerry, waving stiffly in his Oxford-cloth shirt, trying to be all things to all people all the prime time. The Democrats are already excited to see the Republicans acting as fractious as they usually act. The president did look a little rattled during his finger-in-the-dike speech at the Army War College on Monday night, as he promised to give the Iraqi people the gift of "a humane, well-supervised prison system." It was hard to tell if it was the subdued response of the military audience, the only group forbidden to criticize the commander in chief, or if it's beginning to sink in: this is one mess that no amount of power and privilege, or unending terror alerts, can get him out of. (Mr. Bush's speech about the Iraqi makeover, as he wore all that makeup, couldn't even pre-empt the more convincing makeovers on "The Swan" on Fox.) Or maybe it was just the dread at knowing that the next morning he had to call Jacques Chirac and cry "oncle" on Iraq. That's enough to give anybody mal de mer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 When Dowd writes something like that, you know Al fucked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted May 28, 2004 Author Share Posted May 28, 2004 Fuck the political agenda. It's nice to hear someone gettin' some righteous indignation going! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 (edited) Thanks for the post. I didn't see Gore's speech at all. He made some valid comments, but I guess the way it was presented wasn't so hot. But he doesn't have mental defects, give me a break. I'm not sure yelling during a speech makes you crazy. Edited May 28, 2004 by JoshK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 check out these poll results from www.pollingreport.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 I honestly believe a kerry/mccain ticket would make this election an absolute landslide. I cna't see it happening tho, with distinct differences in some important social issues, etc. I'm still wondering if cheney will be dumped last minute. I think he's a negative for bush if anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Although John Kerry is a complete moron, he is a stable man and if he is elected president I will still sleep well at night. If John Kerry is elected I will proclaim "The people have spoken, John Kerry is now our president". I can say the same for most other democrats.... with a few exceptions: 1) Howard Dean: a complete lunatic 2) Ralph Nader: a socialist 3) Clarke: Think Dr Strangelove. He scares me more that any of the others on this list. An egomaniacal button-pusher. 4) Hillary Clinton. I'm thinking of a bizarre cross between Imelda Marcos and Joseph Stalin. ...and now, add Al Gore to the "looney list". Too angry to ever be president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Please, we don't claim Ralph. In fact, most democrats hate Ralph even more now considering he is pretty much *the* reason Gore lost. Also, how can you honestly say Kerry is a moron and Bush is not!? I realize you don't agree with him on anything, but he is certainly the more intelligent of the two. P.S. Did anybody see him speak last night or this morning in Seattle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 His wife sure doesn't look too enthusiastic about his ambitions. You know, she used to be a Republican. Was even registered as one until about two years ago, I've read. Although Kerry's mastery of the English language is superior to GW's, I do not consider him to be more intelligent. GW beats Kerry by a mile when it comes to focus and convictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Well, I certainly would side the other way in terms of their intelligence, but obviously it's nothing neither of us will ever know about either of them. Interesting thing about his wife...my dad went to Kerry's speech last night and this morning. Apparently he was very taken with the speech his wife made. He thought she was impressively direct, intelligent and a great speaker. Definitely in contrast to Laura Bush, who seems to be nothing much good or bad. I will admit, however, that the Bushes make a perfect couple...he's guilty of drunk driving and her of vehicular manslaughter...it's a match made in heaven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Other than the fact that GW is the worst, absolute worst president we have had in my life time, I don't see any real differences between Kerry and Bush. They will both continue to perpetuate enormous military spending while ignoring all manner of social problems. Jobs will continue to go overseas. The government will remain in the back pocket of big business. It is truly unfortunate that voters are not given a real choice. I see the term liberal used by the right wing as if it were perjorative. Civil rights, the environment, public education, ending the war in Viet Nam, impeaching Nixon, giving 18 year olds, blacks and women the right to vote were all liberal ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Gore as a powerful speaker some how rings out of tune. That aside, I did think that Gore and Clinton were stepping to far to the right to try and mute some of the right wing crazies on the end of the scale. Given Bush's moderate talk during the campaign I thought he might be more like his Dad, who was a moderate republican, with some nuanced views of world politics. But it was all talk. Bush has pushed an extreme anit-environment agenda, working in a number of underhanded, sly, and in some cases illegal ways; emptied out the Treasury to feed the fat cat tax breaks, and bumbled away all the world good will we had after 911. There's no way Kerry is going to be this bad. Hell, I'd vote for Bob Dole before Bush. While Kerry is trying to balance the right's rapid retoric, and while I agree that politics lately have no left push, one term of this moron is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swaterfall Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 GW beats Kerry by a mile when it comes to focus and convictions. Of course he has more focus and convictions. He's a zealot who sees his actions as part of some modern, I quote him here, "crusade". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Focus and conviction are not necessarily indicators of intelligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willstrickland Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 A recent election strategy take by James Carville and Stan Greenberg...it's in pdf, but pretty small file. Good read. http://www.ourfuture.org/docUploads/20040520_dcorps-stratmem.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 A recent election strategy take by James Carville and Stan Greenberg...it's in pdf, but pretty small file. Good read. http://www.ourfuture.org/docUploads/20040520_dcorps-stratmem.pdf w00t! Karl Rove is beginning to sweat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 ending the war in Viet Nam...[was a] liberal ideas. Uh, dps, a Democratic President sent us to Nam, a Democratic President escalated the war there (meanwhile trying to convince the American people that he was doing just the opposite), but a Republican was in office when we finally got out. So, you might be slightly mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal_Con Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 GW beats Kerry by a mile when it comes to focus and convictions. Yes, he has at least one conviction for DUI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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