tomtom Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Pro Mountain Sports now carries Black Diamond Costalots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 So don't buy em if you don't like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Good for him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 They work for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Finally! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 BD ice axes, too! Maybe the BD rep gave him a good deal. Â People are definitely familiar with BD stuff, so he should have no problem selling it. Some of the other products and brands he carries are more obscure (but well-selected, to be sure), so maybe carrying the most-well-known brand will increase sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtguide Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Camalots and other BD gear is first rate;you get what you pay for.And I never try to save money on pro. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinfox Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Perhaps tomtom is alluding to the fact that Camalots are heavy whereas most of PMS's stuff is carefully selected for lightweight? His concern being this might signal a shift from PMS's original philosophy of only selling the best, lightestweight shizzle to more of a "whatever sells" mentality? Perhaps I'm reading too much into this? Â In any case, I own camalots and like them a lot even though they are heavy and expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 It's like offering a nice quality steak on the menu in a seafood restaurant. Nothing evil about it, just offering the customer a little variety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 But does he sell steaksauce to go with that steak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtom Posted April 15, 2004 Author Share Posted April 15, 2004 Perhaps tomtom is alluding to the fact that Camalots are heavy whereas most of PMS's stuff is carefully selected for lightweight? His concern being this might signal a shift from PMS's original philosophy of only selling the best, lightestweight shizzle to more of a "whatever sells" mentality? Ding, ding, ding, ding! We have a winner! Â Up until recently, there was also a little blurb on the website explaining that the limited extra expansion range of the Camelots was not worth the added weight. Â Jim needs to stock what sells to the public to stay in business. Just like REI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 I only own 10 camalots, there must be something really bad about them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Hmmm I own at least 22 Friends..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 I don't even have 22 friends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 If you sold your Camalots, you'd could more friends. I'll be your friend for $10 each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatboy Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Jim needs to stock what sells to the public to stay in business. Just like REI. Â Yeah, I see your point . . . Jim Nelson has a WHOLE LOT in common with REI. Â So WHAT if he wants to sell Camalots? It's probably because one million people came in asking for them, and he's providing an option. I would argue that the expansion range of a single camalot may make it close to worth it in weight versus carrying several other cams that cover that same range . . . another consideration is that many people know and use Camalots as a standard unit of measurement (i.e. "oh, that's a grim size, .75 " Or "Did you need a #4 for that roof?") and many people like to climb with pieces that they're familiar with, so perhaps he's just choosing to provide his customers with what they WANT and not just the most extreme cutting edge weight-conscious gear. Â I think he's always been very interested in getting people's opinions and feedback on gear and I imagine his choice to carry BD Cams comes from that feedback -- also, he can do that because he owns the place and can do whatever he wants to. Â Yeah, so I guess he really is just like REI, after all . . . . riiiiight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev_D._Wayne_Love Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Back in the day, when I was starting my rack, I went in there and he talked me into buying HBs. They have since been replaced with camelots, and sit around collecting dust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 I have a double rack of camalots, and I see a lot of other folks with camalots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pms Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 I read it on the internet, that they were the way to go. Extra special price if you know the special code word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrutch Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Goatboy, I believe you are incorrect in saying that most people use the Camalot's sizing for their descriptions, going thru all the guide books I currently have on hand(Yomsemite, Index, Indian Creek, City of Rocks) they all list sizing for Friends and not Camalots. Either way both pieces of gear work quite well and I am fond of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Some of us like camalots, others dont. sometimes they are the way to go, other times they aren't. I'm sure most of us have some camalots and some other cams. Frankly, I think it's great cause when I do want to buy another camalot I can give my money to Jim instead of REI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 w00t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawgoddess Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 It's probably because one million people came in asking for them, i can't really speak for jim, but i'd say "BINGO" on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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