Fairweather Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 Many sincere thanks to Jon and Timmy who have provided a great venue that mixes valuable information about climbing in our local mountains with a place called spray, where folks who hold strong opinions about issues not necessarily climbing related can vet and 'exchange' ideas with or without the social boundaries that exist elsewhere. I have certainly taken full advantage of this privilege and have enjoyed it thoroughly. But lately I've noticed a shift toward a more Seattle-style, stodgy type of moderation. It began with the banning of Mike Adamson, who certainly pushed the limits of 'the box'. Later, Dwayner was banned for the crime of stating his anti-bolting ideas 'too loudly'. And now Trask has been banned. Whether or not one thinks Trask had anything useful to contribute is not really relevant IMHO. He was a fucking RIOT! He kept things light. Additionally, I've noticed that Peter Puget's posts have almost disappeared, and JayB's are getting sparse as well. Mountain Goat gave up long ago. HRoark and Cavey are the only like-minded posters who remain. My mostly (but not all!) right-wing views have regularly been the subject of ridicule, anger, and even outright hatred from the mostly left leaning folks here, but this has always been part of the fun, my skin is thick, and my personal positions have only rarely been changed. While I'd love to hang around and spar with you all, I'm gettin' lonely. And truthfully, I'm spending too much valuable time here that I now feel could be used more appropriately toward other endeavors. The writing is on the wall, so I leave cc.com and spray to the stuffy arrogance of Catbirdseat, who's non-political posts I have ironically found facinating, the complete idiocy of JoshK and the like, and the ever more mocking 'moderation' of MattP. May you all find joy in this more and more politically homogenized place. I'll still post trip reports if I feel they'll provide helpful information to folks here, and if anyone is interested in getting together for some slogging with an experienced, moderately well conditioned ex-sprayer, feel free to email me at rybolt@comcast.net. I now return to the real world. See you in the mountains! Brian aka: Fairweather Quote
Scott_J Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 ya know what Fairweather I'll join ya. I usually don't join others but the spray has been weak for a long time now. i don't have the time I used to because of other obligations so its easy to say adios amigos and fuck you to all the people I pissed off. Sisu is taking leave of this site. Quote
scott_harpell Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 Me too. Partners section only. Hasta. Have fun in the Liberal wasteland. Quote
cracked Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 Everybody's jumping on the bannedwagon? I bet you'll all be back in a day or two. Quote
jon Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 YEAH....... screw it....... I'm outta here! Quote
JoshK Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 So long fairweather. I'll guess I'll have to start watching fox news again to get hear opinions as fucked as yours! Actually, in all seriously, I Have to agree...the over-moderating is pretty lame. The whole point of a community is the discussion is going to spread to other topics and people should be able to post what they want to. Quote
lummox Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 suckas posing as the right wing of the right. then bailin cuz youre 'lonely'. of course it is lonely at the top. i will mention you both to my militias prayer ring. Quote
AlpineK Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 Umm Fairweather JayB and Peter Puget are still here. Maybe they just haven't had time to spray recently. Quote
Bug Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 The writing is on the wall. This is the first time I have agreed with Fairweather. It's no fun argueing with someone who agrees with you. This site is seeming more and more like a club. I still like it but it is loosing what made it unique. Cheers guys. Hope you change your minds. Quote
catbirdseat Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 We need more guys like Fairweather. How do you have an argument of there is no disagreement? Quote
Dru Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 Dear Fairweather and Sisu "A quitter never wins and a winner never quits" Quote
chucK Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 Hey Guys! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out . Quote
arlen Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 Has anyone been banned for engaging in political debate, or for expressing right wing views? Quote
chelle Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 No. People have not been banned for posting their political views. It's too bad IMO that people with diverging views (like Fairweather) believe that they don't have a place here anymore. Many of the people who are "walking" out the door have some pretty skewed views of why people have been banned or asked to tone it down. It has been explained to death in other threads, so I guess there is no hope of getting them to understand. Maybe things have changed a bit in the last few months...change is part of life. Get over it. I do not believe that cc.com is becoming some liberal/socialist Seattle climber's virtual playground. Fairweather, Sisu, et al. Your views are just a little off base. Quote
vegetablebelay Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 Telling Fairweather his views are off base is reinforcing his statement on the moderating here when he mentions the "ever more mocking moderation of Mattp". Quote
minx Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 veggie, you and fairweather might both note that mattp doesn't moderate spray. in fact ehmmic doesn't moderate spray. Quote
vegetablebelay Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 What does spray have to do with mocking moderation? Quote
chelle Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 Veggie - my comment about being off base is related to his views on why people have been banned or have been asked to tone down the aggressiveness/personal attacks. I guess my primary question for Fairweather, Sisu, and the others who are so vocal in complaining these days is: What is it that you get out of participating in cc.com? If the answer is having a place where they can anonymously view (and/or participate in) the bullying of other posters, generally make your avatar a pain in the ass by trolling just for shock value, read endless strings of insults and put downs, and look at Trask's pron... Then by all means Contrary to the vocal minority's belief, last time I checked that is not the purpose of this site or even of spray. Quote
minx Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 What does spray have to do with mocking moderation? nothing i hope. i just pointed it out b/c most political discussions occur in spray. since matt doesn't moderate spray he can't apply any "mocking moderation" here so i don't see what FW's problem is. Quote
Peter_Puget Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 FW you be acting like a freakin’ Michael Moore or Paul Krugman! If this place is getting boring I say its because there is too much inbreeding going on. How long can the same group of guys and the occasional gal be a laugh riot? Not very. Especially when spray is comprise mostly of bathroom humor, simple bolting taunts, and “Bush is Hitler” sloganeering. I haven’t been posting lately because I am pretty busy with other things but I’m hoping SexyC, J_B and DFA start posting again for me they made spray a mandatory visit. PP Quote
marylou Posted January 26, 2004 Posted January 26, 2004 FW, I too would be sorry to see you go. Really, I would. I think you are a nut, but a nut that this site benefits from having. In terms of the "new" cc, I guess I'll just say that so far I am so not missing the pron, dumb lowbrow insults, personal attacks on people for expressing their views on things.....but what I *do* hope to see, is a wittier cc come of all of this. Where's that Doctor Flash Amzing guy anyway? Quote
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