sk Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 I have always considered freedom to be a state of mind, a way of being... rather than a political ideology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 Muffy_The_Wanker_Sprayer said: I have always considered freedom to be a state of mind, a way of being... rather than a political ideology  True, but they are linked. As whatever current political ideology pushes for their specific agenda, it affects our personal freedom. I.E., the USA Patriot Act (most recently), the entire Medicare Program (thanks, Ted Kennedy), FDR's socialistic New Deal (nice court-packing threats, dude), ad infinitum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 "Freedom is free of the need to be free. Free your mind and your ass will follow." - George Clinton & Parliament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleblebleb Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 Greg_W said: Dru said: Greg_W said: fleblebleb said: trask said: hitler youth  I hadn't thought of that. I guess in the States the NRA is the closest thing to the Hitler youth?  You're clueless.  yeah flebby, you totally forgot the Greg_W Youth Fan Club (all 2 members)  You don't really have much more of a clue, Dru. Come visit the States, let's discuss TRUE freedom.  Ah, forgot about Idaho. Oops.  Actually I kind of got remorseful over my NRA Hitler youth joke. BOO-HOO sniffles. Who'da thunk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 Hey, Greg, Flebby's reference reminds me: you'd be a lot happier in Northern Idaho  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billygoat Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 You know what is funny about Americans? I do not think of myself as being into guns but I own six of the fucking things... plus a lot of ammo I mean, the shit is just everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 Greg_W said: Muffy_The_Wanker_Sprayer said: I have always considered freedom to be a state of mind, a way of being... rather than a political ideology  True, but they are linked. As whatever current political ideology pushes for their specific agenda, it affects our personal freedom. I.E., the USA Patriot Act (most recently), the entire Medicare Program (thanks, Ted Kennedy), FDR's socialistic New Deal (nice court-packing threats, dude), ad infinitum... True indeed. Yet I strive to not let others mess with my groove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 Two words: gun safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 MisterE said: Hey, Greg, Flebby's reference reminds me: you'd be a lot happier in Northern Idaho  I'm happy where I'm at, thank you. I've been to Northern Idaho, Central Indiana and parts of Texas (where the Klan is alive and well in both places), and I prefer it right here in good old Seattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 catbirdseat said: Two words: gun safe  If you feel the need to buy a gun safe, I encourage you, wholeheartedly, to do so. No governmental body has the right to dictate that I should buy one. I prefer to reach under the mattress and be cocked, locked, and ready to rock, at a moment's notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billygoat Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 catbirdseat said: Two words: gun safe  They are all in storage except the .22 with a scope. I need to put a few deer up for the winter.  The "shit is just everywhere" comment referred to in society. I know so many people who are not necessarily into guns but have them laying around their house, in the closet, attic, basement, garage, desk drawer, bureau, pantry, etc....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billygoat Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 Greg_W said: catbirdseat said: Two words: gun safe  I prefer to reach under the mattress and be cocked, locked, and ready to rock, at a moment's notice.  Hey dude, don't let any of the gay boys around here find out 'bout that or yur PM box is going to STUFFED FULL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 trask said: Â Sweet, Trask! That from one of them Howard Dean for America websites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 Billygoat said: catbirdseat said: Two words: gun safe  They are all in storage except the .22 with a scope. I need to put a few deer up for the winter.  A .22 isn't legal for deer if it's a rimfire. Think about what you're doing, gaper; you could be breaking the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 Firearm must be .24cal minimum and generate min. 900ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle. (WA State, anyway) Â I think the state fish&wildlife folks might have a problem with your "a few" statement as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott_J Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 MisterE said: Hey, Greg, Flebby's reference reminds me: you'd be a lot happier in Northern Idaho I like U Mr. EZ. So easy to say FUCK YOU ASS HOLE, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott_J Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 Billygoat said:[ They are all in storage except the .22 with a scope. I need to put a few deer up for the winter. Â Better check your game laws. All rim fire weapons are illegal to use on big game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billygoat Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 Greg_W said: Billygoat said: catbirdseat said: Two words: gun safe  They are all in storage except the .22 with a scope. I need to put a few deer up for the winter.  A .22 isn't legal for deer if it's a rimfire. Think about what you're doing, gaper; you could be breaking the law.  We have different rules and needs where I live. It doesn't make sense to have gapers running around with 30.06 rifles and too many deer, not enough hunters. Plus, with a Ruger 10/22 and a good scope I can put a slug on a dime at 75 yards. One can pretty much walk up and pet these tame bastards. It's about the meat and population control, not sport. There are game units in Colorado where one can take two deer in a season due to population, our game unit is just not quite official, but it has a long tradition of Local wisdom. The story is, the first time the game warden showed up out here, a couple locals shot the boat right out from under him. There hasn't been much of a presence since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 Billygoat said: Greg_W said: Billygoat said: catbirdseat said: Two words: gun safe  They are all in storage except the .22 with a scope. I need to put a few deer up for the winter.  A .22 isn't legal for deer if it's a rimfire. Think about what you're doing, gaper; you could be breaking the law.  We have different rules and needs where I live. It doesn't make sense to have gapers running around with 30.06 rifles and too many deer, not enough hunters. Plus, with a Ruger 10/22 and a good scope I can put a slug on a dime at 75 yards. One can pretty much walk up and pet these tame bastards. It's about the meat and population control, not sport. There are game units in Colorado where one can take two deer in a season due to population, our game unit is just not quite official, but it has a long tradition of Local wisdom. The story is, the first time the game warden showed up out here, a couple locals shot the boat right out from under him. There hasn't been much of a presence since.  Guess I was wrong in assuming you lived in WA State. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted August 15, 2003 Author Share Posted August 15, 2003 "Right to bear arms" is derived from the fact that British subjects were not treated fairly by their rulers. Our founding fathers did not like the lack of freedom as British subjects. One offensive restriction forbade British subjects from hunting game without permission because it was considered that all game belonged to the Monarch. Well, our founding fathers had the wisdom to realize that leaders only lead with the consent of their fellow citizens.  Now, I do not intend to join a militia to possibly overthrow the government. I enjoy owning a gun because I enjoy shooting a gun. There's nothing wrong with that. I should not have to make apologies. I am not reading into the Second Amendment to the constitution. I am correctly reading the Declaration of Independence which states that everyone has the rights to "... life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." One past-time which makes me happy is shooting my gun.  If the government wanted to treat us like children and take away all things with which we can intentionally do harm, they should take away our cars. As that woman in Texas demonstrated, a Mercedes is a deadly weapon. Also, they should definitely take away fertilizer and house-hold chemicals since they can be used to make bombs. The government should also take away knives and make us eat with our hands.  I have no intention of running over people with my car, even if I hate their guts, and I certainly don't intend on shooting anyone.  We all have the right as human beings to pursue happiness. When we're happy we work better and are nicer to people around us.  Shooting guns at inanimate objects and game makes many of us happy. So, the focus should not be solely on the Second Amendment. The focus should be on our inherent rights as human beings as indicated in the Declaration of Independence.  -trask  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratboy Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 Good show, trask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 Michael Moore is a life time member of the NRA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted August 15, 2003 Author Share Posted August 15, 2003 Dru is a lifetime member of: The Clueless Gumby Club For Effeminate Spandex Wearing Men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 trask said: Dru is a lifetime member of: The More Posts Than Trask Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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