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CAREFUL GOWANS.

 

THEY WILL COME BACK WITH SOME PIC OF A PROTESTER GETTING BEAT BY A COP PIC AND SAY THEY ASKED FOR IT.

 

THERE ARE BAD APPLES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ORCHARD!!

 

 

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"NOW IF THE OTHER SIDE ACTED LIKE YOU. WELL THEN I WOULD CALL THEM ON IT TOO."

 

But they do, and you haven't, and I'm calling *you* on it.

 

Notice they thought they were right and so much so they jammed up whole cities to tell us so. As for the rest of the examples, re read my post to you.

 

 

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Undoubtedly so Erik. However, now that the "war" has reached a favorable outcome for the allied forces, does that really indicate that those opposed to the war were wrong all along?

 

Does that make my "whining" any less legitimate?

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JGowans said:

I'm done complaining. It's a losing battle. When your phones are tapped, your email is checked, you have to pledge allegiance every day at work, there's statues of Bush in every town center, you're beat up by the police for the slightest infraction, half the world is sending suicide bombers over here, the U.S. is involved in numerous wars on numerous continents with the military fully deployed and a national draft underway for all men under 65, and you are not allowed to complain about shit...I'll be the first to laugh and say I told you so from my solitary confinement torture chamber deep below the municipal courthouse in downtown Seattle. bigdrink.gif

 

One discussion at a time d00d. It's obvious that your anti-bush atitude is preventing you from following the logical argument for war on iraq. That's really sad. I think Bush speaks like an idiot and he looks funny too. Also, I think Tom Ridge's plans and the Patriot Act are nasty devices that need to be thrown out. I'm a member of the ACLU and actually use the service to email and fax my congressional reps. HOWEVER - That does not prevent me from drawing my own conclusions about other topics. Use your head and stop following your socialist leaders.

 

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That particular post was a hyperbole not to be really taken seriously EternalX. I am quickly realizing that my humor is only funny to me and lost on everyone else. How sad is that.

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"is it not better to protest a cause through peaceful means than to simply take up arms when the conversation gets to be a little too tough, and a little too difficult to convince others that you're right and they are wrong?"

 

And yet my comment was in response to the contention that the right wing is so busy telling everyone else they were wrong. And here you are justifying the lefts actions in telling everyone not on the left they are wrong.

 

Wether or not protest is justified in their minds is not the point, the point is that the left was quite vocal in it's actions telling us everyone else was wrong, which was the point of my statement.

 

"If the U.S. and Britain were truly right, then why did 80% of the world disapprove of the war in the first place?"

 

Because right and wrong is not something that is determined by how many people believe something. The world was round no matter how many people though it was flat, and getting rid of Saddam and ending his reign is exactly the same.

 

 

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GOWANS,

 

ABSOLUTLY NOT.

 

AND MTN GOAT I AM SPEAKING IN THE IMMEDIATE. LIKE ON THE BOARD AND SHIT.

IF I WERE OUT VIEWING PEOPLE AND I SAW THEM BEING JACKASSES I WOULD MAKE A COMMENT. MAYBE EVEN STEP IN.

 

I FAVOR REASON!

 

 

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eternalX said:

oh right..there wasn't the least bit of honesty in your post.

 

 

Dude, I certainly hope that it was construed as a joke. No way do I want to be in a torture chamber under Seattle municipal court. grin.gif

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So you're saying you'd rather save the leather whips, ball gags, and hand cuffs for friday night with your lady eh?

 

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MtnGoat said:

"is it not better to protest a cause through peaceful means than to simply take up arms when the conversation gets to be a little too tough, and a little too difficult to convince others that you're right and they are wrong?"

 

And yet my comment was in response to the contention that the right wing is so busy telling everyone else they were wrong. And here you are justifying the lefts actions in telling everyone not on the left they are wrong.

 

MtnGoat, I just find it somewhat baffling that now the U.S. has taken Bagdhad, I am somehow expected to drop my belief that the war was wrong all along. You and others now think that your views have been vindicated because we dropped thousands of bombs and pummeled the Iraqi forces into submission like everyone knew we would right from day one. I'm not certain that I follow your train of reasoning.

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specialed said:

So you're saying you'd rather save the leather whips, ball gags, and hand cuffs for friday night with your lady eh?

 

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Exactly. Thank you for clarifying Specialed yelrotflmao.gif

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JGowans said:

MtnGoat said:

"is it not better to protest a cause through peaceful means than to simply take up arms when the conversation gets to be a little too tough, and a little too difficult to convince others that you're right and they are wrong?"

 

And yet my comment was in response to the contention that the right wing is so busy telling everyone else they were wrong. And here you are justifying the lefts actions in telling everyone not on the left they are wrong.

 

MtnGoat, I just find it somewhat baffling that now the U.S. has taken Bagdhad, I am somehow expected to drop my belief that the war was wrong all along. You and others now think that your views have been vindicated because we dropped thousands of bombs and pummeled the Iraqi forces into submission like everyone knew we would right from day one. I'm not certain that I follow your train of reasoning.

 

its funny, only yesterday MtnGoat was saying that "might makes right" was wrong. now he's saying might makes right is correct. next thing you know, he'll declare war on himself. fruit.gif

 

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JGowans said:

MtnGoat said:

"is it not better to protest a cause through peaceful means than to simply take up arms when the conversation gets to be a little too tough, and a little too difficult to convince others that you're right and they are wrong?"

 

And yet my comment was in response to the contention that the right wing is so busy telling everyone else they were wrong. And here you are justifying the lefts actions in telling everyone not on the left they are wrong.

 

MtnGoat, I just find it somewhat baffling that now the U.S. has taken Bagdhad, I am somehow expected to drop my belief that the war was wrong all along. You and others now think that your views have been vindicated because we dropped thousands of bombs and pummeled the Iraqi forces into submission like everyone knew we would right from day one. I'm not certain that I follow your train of reasoning.

 

I don't expect the victory in Iraq to change the opinions of the anti-war people, but I do expect that it makes Necronomicron feel dumb as hell for projecting that Iraq was going to be the next Vietnam and and shit. hellno3d.gif

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Dru said:

next thing you know, he'll declare war on himself. fruit.gif

Dru, Ya figure the weapon of choice for war on oneself would be GAS? yelrotflmao.gif

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JGowans said:

Undoubtedly so Erik. However, now that the "war" has reached a favorable outcome for the allied forces, does that really indicate that those opposed to the war were wrong all along?

 

Does that make my "whining" any less legitimate?

 

Yes, it does.

 

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JGowans,

This is what the Iraqi people (that you claim to care about) think of your beliefs...

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Um, I wouldn't be getting all gloaty. There is absolutlely no guarantee that the uS will be able to install any sort of gummint that is stable in Iraq. There is no guarantee that Iraq will be one country at the end of all of this either.

 

The US has demonstrated its military superiority over a much smaller nation. Now the hard part begins.

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Fairweather said:

Optimism.

 

Not one of the left-wing's strongest traits.

 

yellaf.gif Yes, there are things we can agree on Fairweather.

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"MtnGoat, I just find it somewhat baffling that now the U.S. has taken Bagdhad, I am somehow expected to drop my belief that the war was wrong all along."

 

I never made any such comment. I expect people predicting the mother of all urban battles to learn they were wrong, I expect people predicting the Iraquis would reject us as invaders to accept they were wrong, I expect people with predictions physically proven wrong to learn they were wrong.

 

What you feel is wrong cannot be proven wrong, I don't expect you to not feel what you feel is wrong.....but it can be shown to be irrelevant.

 

"You and others now think that your views have been vindicated because we dropped thousands of bombs and pummeled the Iraqi forces into submission like everyone knew we would right from day one."

 

And yet I can search back threads and find predictions of all kinds of US deaths and warnings of all kinds of mayhem. Now the bets are already being hedged, in reverse. I may do a search myself and stock up on quotes and stuff for the future, in a couple years the denial of some of these positions will be widespread.

 

 

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"only yesterday MtnGoat was saying that "might makes right" was wrong."

 

Did I? Where? Prove it.

 

"now he's saying might makes right is correct. "

 

Am I? Where? Prove it!

 

It's not difficult. IMO neither might nor numbers define right and wrong. They may define what is done to people, they do not change what is right and wrong. No matter how many believed slavery was right, and practiced it (and still do), it was wrong. No matter how many rape, it's still wrong. No matter how many steal, it's still wrong.

 

We are not right because we had superior numbers and weapons, but because we did the right thing.

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MtnGoat said:

IMO neither might nor numbers define right and wrong. They may define what is done to people, they do not change what is right and wrong. No matter how many believed slavery was right, and practiced it (and still do), it was wrong. No matter how many rape, it's still wrong. No matter how many steal, it's still wrong.

No matter how many people oppose the war, it's still wrong (to oppose)?

We are not right because we had superior numbers and weapons, but because we did the right thing.

Indeed the RIGHT (wing) thing was done.

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"ERIK" & MtnGoat said:

"THE RIGHT WINGERS ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THE COPS VIOLATING OTHER CIVIL RIGHTS."

 

That's funny, here I thought the cops enforced laws you support, like making people hire who you want them to, like taking the money they make to spend on what you want them to.

 

Actually I think he was talking about them upholding laws that he doesn't support. Like the patriot act stuff etc.

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