fleblebleb Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 Relax Trask, this stopped being a discussion about war or not a long time ago, now it's just making fun of Tom's rhetoric, or horsemanship, or whatever. Funniest part: Everything on this thread was already hashed over many many times by you, DFA and Greg W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleblebleb Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 tomcat said: fleblebleb said: Bullshit Tom. You're applying playground logic to international politics. Oops, should have said horseshit Please please point out my "playground logic". I challenge you to bring that to the table .. where is my playground logic at fleblebleb? I understand you are frustrated with your lack of understanding concerning the current Iraq invasion, but don't take it out on those of us who are attempting to uncloud your brain. I haven't said a single word about my personal opinion of the Iraq war Tom. I'm just here for watching you. Don't fall off the horse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 I'll accept your general surrender. You can go play now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleblebleb Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 tomcat said: I don't know about you, but if I meet someone and they kick my ass very badly, I try and avoid them in the future. Same goes for international muscle. My daddy can beat up your daddy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 Might makes right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 fleblebleb said: tomcat said: fleblebleb said: Bullshit Tom. You're applying playground logic to international politics. Oops, should have said horseshit Please please point out my "playground logic". I challenge you to bring that to the table .. where is my playground logic at fleblebleb? I understand you are frustrated with your lack of understanding concerning the current Iraq invasion, but don't take it out on those of us who are attempting to uncloud your brain. I haven't said a single word about my personal opinion of the Iraq war Tom. I'm just here for watching you. Don't fall off the horse! There's no horse here .. there's right and wrong, and those who regret being wrong and see the fallacies of their thought. Those who regret being wrong serve to construct the very horse you speak of. You guys are making this too easy on me. Like taking candy from a baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 Well Tom I'm glad you believe you're winning the argument because no one else does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 AlpineK said: Well Tom I'm glad you believe you're winning the arguement because no one else does. Remember it's not what you believe, it's reality that matters. Keep on lying to yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 And by the way, the only person who has offered intelligent discourse in the peace side's favor on this entire thread has been mattp. Way to contribute to the argument Kurt! Pat yourself on the back for your powerful rebuttals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 Tom- Here's my rebuttal of your rebuttal: 1. Your article about Iraq's nuclear weapons program is five years old. The weapons inspectors have stated as recently as, like, December or January that there was no active nuclear weapons program, and although I believe Bush had made his statements only a few weeks earlier, the administration failed either to retract their statements or explain the discrepancy. The liberal press that Peter Puget complains of has not bothered to ask them for an explanation so maybe that is why you didn't notice this. 2. The Iraq-terrorist link you are referring to ("revealed" by Powell) revolves around a guy named Zurquawi. He runs a training camp in NE Iraq that is in Kurdish territory outside Iraq's control. His supposed meeting in Baghdad took place when he went there for medical treatment. I don't think it has been shown that there is any link to Saddam. I wouldn't doubt it if Saddam would allow him or someone else to plan attacks against America, but I'm just saying there has not been a single proven example -- and most Americans heard a year of rhetoric from Bush, Rumsfeld et al, did not question any of it even though most of the time absolutely no examples were offered, and concluded that all of this proves Iraq must have been behind 9-11 -- what the ??? 3. The terrorists who have thus far been setting off bombs in Europe or Indonesia and running airplanes into tall buildings are not agents of any nation. That is the problem -- we cannot stop them by targeting a rogue nation. I support the invasion of Afghanistan to the extent that it was necessary to take out terrorist training camps, but I still fail to see how regime change is going to help. I think the flawed logic here is where you indicate that the "shock and awe" campaign in Baghdad is going to deter terrorists that operate with fake identities and work in independent cells scattered around the world. -Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 (edited) Edited March 21, 2003 by trask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 Tom if you had been around here 4 months ago you could have seen this topic argued to death. I really don't care enough to get into a serious debate especially on a climbing board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 OK OK I'm done! Good discussion some of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 News Flash Amazing??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 "I don't see your brilliant points being brought up here .. bring them to the table so I can argue them just like I've rebuked the rest! That is if you're not all talk." Brilliant, brilliant juxtaposition of the classic passive-aggressive playground taunt "that is if you're not all talk" with your other posts disputing fleblebleb's assertion that you're using playground logic! Oh, it's too much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 News Alert Turkey just capitulated and is allowing the U.S. needed airspace. Bout' time those fuckers jumped on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 Trask, that happened yesterday evening, you moron. Try NPR instead of Fox "news"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 True, they were on the fence yesterday, but they jumped on board a short time ago. Listen to me FDA, I'm on the inside track and I'll give you accurate and fair war reporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 trask said: True, they were on the fence yesterday, but they jumped on board a short time ago. Listen to me FDA, I'm on the inside track and I'll give you accurate and fair war reporting. Someone's "Walter Cronkite Junior Reporter Kit" just arrived in the mail! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 I'm sorry you're giving up, Tom. How about if I admit that I understand the idea that we are going to have to take him out sooner or later and we might as well get it over with now? In my view, Bush et al should have stuck with that one simple idea, and they might have persuaded more of our regular allies to go along with them. Had they not spewed blatant rhetorical lies and had they not been so arrogant about stating that we do not need Europe or the U.N., they could have forged a true coalition as Bush Sr. did. If we were invading Iraq with U.N. backing, I still wouldn't like it but I'd feel very differently about the whole matter. Would you agree with this, or are you one of those guys who think the U.N. is just a tool of those who want to take our freedom away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 Dr_Flash_Amazing said: trask said: True, they were on the fence yesterday, but they jumped on board a short time ago. Listen to me FDA, I'm on the inside track and I'll give you accurate and fair war reporting. Someone's "Walter Cronkite Junior Reporter Kit" just arrived in the mail! LMFAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleblebleb Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 AlpineK said: Well Tom I'm glad you believe you're winning the argument because no one else does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 fleblebleb said: AlpineK said: Well Tom I'm glad you believe you're winning the argument because no one else does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 Fairweather said: "I heard on NPR" ...then it must be true! If you read back, you'll see that I cited an article in the Wall Street Journal that was in turn cited by NPR in the broadcast. Do you believe what you read in the WSJ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 i believe anything the satellite video phones show me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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