sobo

Here it is! Scroll down a little for the pic. GC, directions are included right above the pic. There's also a link to a similar device to teh Freshette, the TravelMate, at this address.

I seem to recall a similar thread on this board a while back that ultimately led to a link to a page that gave instructions on how wimmin could pee standing up. The front page of the site had this wonderful pic of a babe standing in front of a urinal with a shocked male relieving himself in the urinal next to hers. Great shot!

Here's another thread in the Ice Conditions forum that is recent.

Carlos Buehler comes immediately to mind. What a guy. Good point, Alex.

A little more work found this. Tread tramp was the subject. Can't make any conclusions from the info proffered, other than it appears that only the helo crew showed up, and no ground personnel. In this case, it may have been more of a "less risk to rescuer" case, as the attendant on the t-bar would have to ask himself, "You want me to hang on the end of this line as the rotor downwash bashes me against the side of this cliff, is that right? OK, no problemo."

Yes, ideally, it is best to get the subject to a safer area as quickly and as safely as possible so more definitive aid can be rendered. If that is not possible, aid is rendered as best as can be done at the scene, and extraction becomes a more lengthy proposition. But presumably the subject has been stabilized by then. Probably had more to do with the short-haul equipment on the helo, the elevation of the operation, and the operating characteristics of the helo itself than anything to do with less risk to the rescuer. Typically, and almost without exception (except for the aforementioned exceptions), rescue protocol requires that an attendant ride with the subject. And yes, under the right conditions, a jungle penetrator has room for two. I did a search for all of ncascademtn's posts, and the thread titles didn't give me any clue about his rescue, so I couldn't read his account. Maybe it was someone else, or maybe someone else on the trip wrote up the TR that contained the rescue description.

Yes, in the case of a high- or low-angle raise or lower. But from the haul set-up that I saw in the video, it appears to me to be a helo op. In a helo op, there would be a tag line attached to the litter to prevent spinning (if there was a litter). Since there was no litter, there would be no tag line. You would be at the complete mercy of the attendant and the jungle penetrator. It appears that either the attachment link failed at the subject/attendant, or the short haul line failed.

Don't I know it!

Best road trips, eh? hmmmm... TNTC Seriously, tho, my most memorable road trip was 4 days on a Trailways bus from Houston to DC, and didn't involve a lick of climbing. A story for the campfire or Pub Club only...

Ahhhh, Seneca Rocks. Home of the insipid Seneca 7.

Must be coming my way. I drove to work with the windows down at 9 this morning to a balmy 58F. Just got back from lunch at it was fahq'n 42!

Not laziness, not having to remove your pack to extract your second tool boils down to speed, efficiency, and safety. But what the hell do I know, I'm a newbie. I agree with speed, etc. for extraction. Re: my laziness, I was referring to putting the tools away.

I was noticing that same forecast myself yesterday. I would say that Strobach, of all the places near Yakima, would be the place to be this weekend (el = 4500). I think that FS 19/Little Naches (el = 3300 +/-) would be kinda thin/wet. I got a call into Cragg to see if he can check out FS 19 before the weekend. I'll be in touch thru here. We had 70F here yesterday, and it's about 60F here right now. That makes for about 40+F at Strobach, which is good, as more of our recent snow will melt, feeding the freeze cycle that's due in later this week. Little Naches won't fair as well, and it takes longer for those Chinook pass climbs to form than it does for the White Pass area climbs. My $$ is on Strobach.

The Osprey Finnesse with the Vetor Ice (interchangeable) attachment panel does this as well. The tubes are more set up for straight-shafted tools, tho. I got ss tools, and it's worked great in the past when I've started a route with one tool, then needed the second while on route. I've even got to teh point where I can put 'em back w/o taking the pack off. Yeah, I am lazy.

Bent shafts?

Avy Yes, the initial sweep can seem slow. It takes me about 8 to 10 seconds to sweep through the 120 deg arc to locate the signal and get the initial "beep" and lock. As long as I'm moving in the right direction, I don't need to sweep anymore, just follow the flux line to the subject. If I chose the wrong direction (distance readout increases), I just turn around and it locks back on in about 3 seconds or less without having to "sweep" again. Just turn around and hold still for a couple of seconds. I used a lot of beacons (borrowed or rented) before I demo'ed and bought the ARVA, and I never really got to use anything else long enough to really get to know it. With the ARVA being the first beacon I ever owned, I've had a lot of opportunity to practice with it. I guess that could be why I'm comfortable with it and don't find much wrong with it at all. I guess it just comes down to what you get used to using.

I do not dispute what you say about following a curved path along the flux line, nor about turning around if the numbers decrease. I said all that above. But I would still classify it as a directional beacon because it does tell you which direction the signal is stronger, as soon as you take one more step forward. In answer to your questions above: yes, and yes. I practice it with it at least several times a year regardless of season. Mostly right about now, as I head into the backcountry for winter skiing, but also in the spring before the volcano climbing season gets active. I have gotten quite good (and fast) with it. In our unit practices, I am invariably the first one to locate the "subject" every time. Not a chestbeat, just a fact. I have gotten very comfortable with it. I just wonder why I don't see more of them around. It's a good machine, IMO. ...sobo

WTF's up with that? I'm just filling you in on the acronym.

This message is for geordie, Big Wave, and J-WOO, and anyone else seeking to scoop early season ice on the eastside: Go here.

Don't sweep so fast, then. You don't need to once the unit locates the initial signal and you've deterimed that you're moving in the correct direction. I never sweep after I've locked on the intial signal, and I've never experienced the problem to which you refer, altho I can see where it would be frustrating.

The ARVA 9000 is both of those things. So now what? Not by my definition... I would only call a beacon directional/digital if it has a set of lights or other indicators that tell you which direction the flux line is is. As far as I know, there are only three beacons that meet that criteria: B-vox Tracker X-1 All other beacons require you to stop or slow down and sweep the unit from side to side to determine the direction of search. I think the M2 and the Arva are very similar in function. Please correct me if I am wrong. Well, by your definition, the ARVA 9000 would be a "semi-directional" digital beacon. It has an arrow that lines you up with the flux line and points you in a direction parallel to it. You then move along that line while watching the digital distance read-out. If it decreases, you're going in the right direction toward the subject. If the value increases, you're 180 degrees off, so turn around and go the other way. You do not really need to sweep to determine the direction of search with this device, and you definitely do not need to stop at all.

Bend Over Here It Comes Again yeeesh!

Literally, it would be "vino di tavola", but I've also heard these gems of libation referred to as "bomboli", which literally translated means something like a 5-gallon propane cylinder over here.

Not entirely true, Dru. Are you trying to say that every house that has a well doesn't need a pump in the borehole? hmmmm...

That's exactly what I was thinking...