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I suspect a "higher-up" prompted him to inject that little sound byte. But then again, I'm cynically biased.

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Exactly, but because a LEO used the term "MLU" in a positive sense, the media is gonna be all over this one. And clueless legislators and on-line news polls are only going to be a half-step behind.

I'm no rocket scientist (no argument there) or photographer, but how come the guy holding the LED light doesn't show up? I know you had to have a long exposure time, and you'd be working somewhat quickly moving the light and stepping across the field of view, but how come he doesn't even show up as a dark smudge across the background? You can see the sagebrush clearly in the background across the whole range of the frame. What am I missing here? Nice TR and pics, BTW.

:lmao: Stemming! So that's how it's done, eh? I've always given my ass a little wiggle just as the turd leaves the bombay, hoping to send it into the tank just a little sideways so the "splash-back" doesn't come straight back up into my asshole before it has a chance to slam shut. Works sometimes... sometimes it doesn't...

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That Place rocks! Sweet! Way to snag the FA there on Second from the Left. I'm with Alex on that one - I've never seen it come down to the ground before. And it seems from your TR that you forgot this priceless little gem from my PM prior your departure... :laf:

OK, this is like a dream-come-true for me. I gotta get me one o' these: Buzz Lightyear! To infinity, and beyond!

"BARK, BARK, BARK!" "Oh, right boy! Illumination Saddle is at 9,300 feet! Good catch!" :laf:

That's where "judgement" and "experience" come in. Those things make you pay attention to the tools in your toolbox.

wordy, but we agree. You know that you and I are on the same wavelength here. Hey, how did it go at Strobach a couple weeks back?

Ryland, I agree with everything you've said here, except the part about "...it seems that the party used it as a false sense of security..." Until they all get down and someone (hopefully SAR/MR and not the media) interviews them about this, I wouldn't make this pronouncement. But everything else you said, yes. I don't agree that the MLU should get praised in this incident either, but you can bet your bottom dollar that is how the media is gonna portray it. These folks are going to be made out as "heroes" for carrying them, when in reality, the best tool we as mountaineers and climbers have in our toolbox is this: Again, I agree. No piece of gear is a substitute for competence. Funny anecdote that doesn't really seem funny to me anymore: I bought my first avi transciever over 15 years ago, before the rampant "product warning label" craze set in. I replaced it about 5 years ago. When I read through the replacement unit's literature, I found this: "WARNING! This product will not prevent avalanches." At the time I laughed, now I'm just tired of all the labels, period.

ketch, That's a really sweet picture! Love that shadow coming off the top onto the belly of the clouds. Righteous!

Thanks for the pics, carolyn. She's a really cute kitter. Keep up the good work, and keep your hopes up, too, and things will be fine. As mentioned by Arch, don't forget to take care of yourself, too. =^ ^=

This seems contradictory to me. The Reid Glacier is on the west side of I Saddle. Other folks have mentioned the wind that funnels through the col at I Saddle. You could avoid it altogether by digging in on the Reid side, or dig in on the Palmer side and orient the entrance such that it doesn't act as an jet intake and you'll be fine.

Great list, Doug. BTW, does this: include the Alzheimer group?

In this country, yes. Not so in Germany. See tvash's comments. ^^ You hit the nail square on the head, there. Again, it's irrational people, like all extreme fundamentalists, that help to keep his writing career alive.

Wow, Illumination Saddle has dropped 1,000 feet. This global warming stuff is serious business! Interesting that they think they are in WRC. Most folks coming off IS in a white-out end up in Zigzag Canyon. These guys would have had to make a conscious choice and/or an extreme course (over)correction to end up way over in WRC.

Yes, according to current German law on the subject, he most certainly did. OTOH, do I believe that the Germans, or any state for that matter, should even have a law banning what one may wish or may not wish to believe? An emphatic NO! That is government legislating your individual thinking, and that, too, is wrong. And the Germans are already taking up the cause to make Holocaust denail a crime across the entire EU. And some people think it is only our own civil liberties that are being challenged/removed here in the USA... I find myself being reminded of the words of wisdom from Voltaire...

I clicked "No" about 20 times and couldn't get the "No"s to come up any higher (it was at 93% just now). I agree with gene, this would be a crime if it becomes policy.

Wow. You guys are young.

You'll be in napkins and ketchup packets for life if you can find it.

That's what keeps my fat ass away from there...

Yes, we are. And we like ourselves that way... usually.

Yowzerz!