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I would think people's common sense would sway them away from driving four hours to climb for a day! I'm making an extra effort this summer to find things within biking distance from my house. They may not be extremo, but I bet they'll still be fun.

Yeah, I get an idea of what you're looking for. Another option I've heard of is a local company offers shuttle up to harts pass. Great views. It's not too far of a ride over the other side to the abandoned mining site called... dang. But a nice ride would be shuttle up, ride the bike down into the mining site, back up, then check out slate peak (if you haven't been there you have to) then coast back to the cars at Mazama. I think the key to this sort of trip (at least the best luck I've had MTB with my sweetheart) is having a wide variety of difficulties THEY can choose from. On the super easy end of the spectrum is riding up the last bits of the Chewuck. Park somewhere near the three or four campgrounds in the 25 mile range. Great campsites to escape some of the east-side style heat! It's about 5-8 miles to the trailhead from there (depending on where you camp/park) and you ride throug some of the Thirtymile fire area, past the memorial. It's an amazing canyon with some touching history. Read up on the Thirtymile fire first. Like I said, super easy (paved raod alot of the way) but still very scenic and quiet. Hope you have fun, I'm jealous. ps: Check out this page: http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/oka/recreation/trails.shtml they have a key telling what trails allow bikes.

I'd be pretty freaked if I fell 28 feet. If some one told me: "hey, somebodies gonna' take a 28 footer over there..." I'd stop what I was doing and go watch. Kevbone, I'm with you.

When you say intermediate, that could mean alot of things (aerobic/vs technical, differnt levels of "intermediate") Knowing some rides in the Wenatchee area to compare against would be good. Sun mountain: my opinion is skip it. It's pretty much like the sage hills, but easier, more people, and it's at sun mountain (Blech!) I guess if thata the technical level you're looking for, its a good choice because there are so many options and variety. Pipe stone canyon: ok, this is on adirt rod but the scenery is way better than sun mountain. SE of town near NCSB Cedar Creek: About a 8 mile ride up a trail to a pass (I know, it's pretty vague..) Great long desccent that won't smoke the brakes. Approximately three miles west of mazama on the south side of the road. Very good. West Fork Methow trail: I rode this back in 97 (?) and it was great! I know the FS doesn't advertise it as a bkie trail, but I thikn it's technically ok to ride bikes there, and this could have changed. Worth a call to the RS. a little rocky is spots, but a fun, long gradual downhill. It meets up with the PCT, so you have to stop after aroudn 6-8 mile. but good still. A short (2 miles) hike would get you up to a great view of slate and the area. Post a report when you get back. It's always good to hear about new stuff.

Are you insinuating that David Syre's son is an alien? Sounds like a slander/liable suit to me....

Around Bellingham. Definately aliens.

Just how many times did you ride HIM? Sicko.

1. What county are you in? 2. different 6-7 foot beds fit differnt liners. What sort of truck was this on? (even if it's not a liner I suppose there could be some wheel well interference) 3. Materials? 4. Probably alot of my questions would be answered by some pics. ?

I'm a big fan of the gazetteres: Find them at most book stores in the western states or amazon . They are topo maps but at a much rougher scale. I think they generally fit four 7.5 minute quads on a 17"x12" page. Good for planning driving and trail approaches, but not so great for routes and such. they also give a great overview of the area(s) you'll be in. sound like it should be a fun trip! I'm jealous! dave

Cheers to that!

You've been there and I haven't, but this say 130m which comes to more like 400 ft?

Question: What is WWI? Thank you.

http://www.supertopo.com/rockclimbing/route.html?r=deinotto Otto's Route on Independance Spire. 5.9 II, five pitches Moderate 'cause only 2% of the routes 5.9 and thet's 'cause you have to do a pull up. Why clasic? History. Scenery. A nice hike. Great weather. Protects awesome. Amazing panorama from the top. And chopped steps.

Did you mean to so "Ruining water is running our lives"?

[quote=bwrts Hey Darryl Cramer- what gives with the slab routes near GCtower? I think I read about them somewhere else stating you as the creator of the routes. I'm not Cramer and I'm not even convinced this is what you're talking about, but "slab routes near GCT" is close enough for me. If you're looking for some new and obscure-ish slab routes near GCT.... http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Main/34089/Number/463679#Post463679 I love the pinnicles.

For hot days in the icicle, fill a nalgene 1/2 with grapes, 1/2 with crushed ice and top off with water. By mid day, the ice will be a cool sip of water, the grapes will be a nice sweet treat, and the whole thing won't weight anything more than a bottle of water.

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Nice! Although I've always chuckled at the possible misinterpretations for the snoop-talk.

I stayed in a gravel pit campground in the early 90's that I thikn is now closed. It was way better than the current BLM site, but I can understand why they can't keep the dirtbag lot open. Too bad. I pretty much don't go to RR because I don't feel like dealing with the issue. To me, it's funny how (generalizations here) climbers incorporate into their "brand" an element dirtbagdom: living in your van off a food bank bagel is THE SHIT! And this comes in such direct conflict with "The Man's Plan". Federal workerd are really between a rock and a hard place when it comes to recreation management (yeah, they got themselves there but that's the agency as a whole, not the employees.) It seems like of all the user groups I'm part of (hikers, mtb's, climbing, conservationists, etc...), I hear the most whining about the rudeness of campground hosts from the climbers. And it's no wonder host can be testy: climbers are dicks.

and they know their shit if you ever have questions! The first one just doesn't sound very flattering.

I believe we should invest in technology/development for a process to efficiently convert bush meat into car fuel. And trucks. I hear there are a lot of trucks in Africa.

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Not free but no hassle: Confluence state park on the north end of wenatchee has quarter operated showers and they're pretty long lasting and warm Look outside of the upper wenatchee valley (i.e. lower wenatchee valley, entiat river, blewett pass, number 1 and number 2 canyons, etc..) for ninja camping. I did this for several summers working out of entiat and it worke dout. just keep rotating sites every two or three days and keep a low profile.

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