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Three parties of free climbers and a few odd aider (give or take a few passings). This panel is definitely a landmark. Somebody should write up an obit.

Where? More info would be helpful. Do you have a jobby-job?

One plus of Jtree is cheap flights. Obviously things have changed in the last year and a half, but I flew to palm springs for about 200 rt from b'ham. Check out allegiant air. By my calculations you could expect to pay around $400 in gas alone if you drove. (not including cost of car and 2 oil changes) I've been to jtree four times over "spring break" and it's been hot and cold at times on all four trips. Red rocks has softer climbing and less wind, but it just isn't as amazing as jtree. Save some gas. Hit up vantage, tieton, Smith or one of the other "local" (albeit a bit boring) crags!

Whereas sonar systems use a sequence of reflection times to calculate target velocity, radar systems actually use "red shift" to determine velocity. That is, the speeding object reflects a slightly different frequency than that of the emitter. Techy-Geek session over.

Before I came to this sort of conclussion myself, I was both fearful for my economic future as well as pissed at the gov. Now that I've realized I'm on my own, I actually feel more in control (relatively), and just resigned to the reality of it.

yo D! I'm totally with you on this (and other wacky ideas you've thrown out) but this kind of talk makes most people laugh. You're right. It seems like younger people need to wake the f$*! up or they're going to get screwed.

Anybody have any tips on a place to park a car for six days in or near osoyoos? PM me and I'll keep it quiet. dave

I was studying this guy's webpage to learn how to climb and started to think about the self arrest grip vs. the self belay grip. I always hold my tool (woops!)... I always hold my ax with the spike pointed away, ready to self arrest. I think he calls this the self arrest grip. Even if I was self belaying, why would I want to hold the head (woops!)... hold the ice axe with the spike pinted "io" and NOT ready to self arrest? Go ahead, spray away, but SOMEBODY help me out here! dave

I was on that fire. We found the grave site and cabin site. The foundation is virtually non-existant. I rememeber just dort of nodding at it. The grave site has a little marker with somehing about a guy named Shorty... Brighty? and an old pick axe head. I'll dig through my picture when my laptop's up and running again.

It's not that complicated: Buy a helmet. Wear it. Anything more is like discussiong what kind of seat belt to install in your car.

Obviously not what you said, but a similar argument that seems to match my personal sentiments better. But I hear you if you would like to keep some things "wild". I used to like to got to Frenchmans and camp wherever I wanted.

Don't use resin if it's inside or anywhere near a door going inside. THat stuff stinks and is nasty.

Or they could be wasting their time on this...

probably. All I know about the story is that denali is some huge mountain somewhere in the northern yukon territory.

Makes me think of that story aboput alex lowe (?) carrying some dude on his back uphill to a helispot at some crazy altitude like 16k. Iron lungs.

I would think people's common sense would sway them away from driving four hours to climb for a day! I'm making an extra effort this summer to find things within biking distance from my house. They may not be extremo, but I bet they'll still be fun.

Yeah, I get an idea of what you're looking for. Another option I've heard of is a local company offers shuttle up to harts pass. Great views. It's not too far of a ride over the other side to the abandoned mining site called... dang. But a nice ride would be shuttle up, ride the bike down into the mining site, back up, then check out slate peak (if you haven't been there you have to) then coast back to the cars at Mazama. I think the key to this sort of trip (at least the best luck I've had MTB with my sweetheart) is having a wide variety of difficulties THEY can choose from. On the super easy end of the spectrum is riding up the last bits of the Chewuck. Park somewhere near the three or four campgrounds in the 25 mile range. Great campsites to escape some of the east-side style heat! It's about 5-8 miles to the trailhead from there (depending on where you camp/park) and you ride throug some of the Thirtymile fire area, past the memorial. It's an amazing canyon with some touching history. Read up on the Thirtymile fire first. Like I said, super easy (paved raod alot of the way) but still very scenic and quiet. Hope you have fun, I'm jealous. ps: Check out this page: http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/oka/recreation/trails.shtml they have a key telling what trails allow bikes.

I'd be pretty freaked if I fell 28 feet. If some one told me: "hey, somebodies gonna' take a 28 footer over there..." I'd stop what I was doing and go watch. Kevbone, I'm with you.

When you say intermediate, that could mean alot of things (aerobic/vs technical, differnt levels of "intermediate") Knowing some rides in the Wenatchee area to compare against would be good. Sun mountain: my opinion is skip it. It's pretty much like the sage hills, but easier, more people, and it's at sun mountain (Blech!) I guess if thata the technical level you're looking for, its a good choice because there are so many options and variety. Pipe stone canyon: ok, this is on adirt rod but the scenery is way better than sun mountain. SE of town near NCSB Cedar Creek: About a 8 mile ride up a trail to a pass (I know, it's pretty vague..) Great long desccent that won't smoke the brakes. Approximately three miles west of mazama on the south side of the road. Very good. West Fork Methow trail: I rode this back in 97 (?) and it was great! I know the FS doesn't advertise it as a bkie trail, but I thikn it's technically ok to ride bikes there, and this could have changed. Worth a call to the RS. a little rocky is spots, but a fun, long gradual downhill. It meets up with the PCT, so you have to stop after aroudn 6-8 mile. but good still. A short (2 miles) hike would get you up to a great view of slate and the area. Post a report when you get back. It's always good to hear about new stuff.

Are you insinuating that David Syre's son is an alien? Sounds like a slander/liable suit to me....

Around Bellingham. Definately aliens.

Just how many times did you ride HIM? Sicko.

I'm a big fan of the gazetteres: Find them at most book stores in the western states or amazon . They are topo maps but at a much rougher scale. I think they generally fit four 7.5 minute quads on a 17"x12" page. Good for planning driving and trail approaches, but not so great for routes and such. they also give a great overview of the area(s) you'll be in. sound like it should be a fun trip! I'm jealous! dave

Cheers to that!

You've been there and I haven't, but this say 130m which comes to more like 400 ft?