AlpineK

AlpineK = fucktard All I know is your truck is way too clean to be a real work truck. Hroark = Officeboy blue collar wanna be.

So we are to believe that the human brain will overcome all obstacles. I'm sure humans can think there way around a number of things, but eventually we come up against limits. In the 70's the Concord was the plane of the future; Boeing was all set to build the SST, with government backing. In 2004 there is no commercial super sonic travel; Boeing never built their plane. In the 70's we set humans to the moon, but we haven't been back there since. Like it or not there are limits to what humans can do. The earth after all is a closed system. We may not know exactly what the limits are, but they are there. I'm very dissapointed in you PP. You champion civil discourse, yet when one of your backers portray dissenters as, "fucktards," you do not distance yourself from him. GW and the Republicans are running up the national debt and wrecking the environment at the expense of kids who haven't even been born yet.

Presently I've got a few skiing partners and I'm not looking for anyone...though things can change. CC is a pretty good place to look for climbing/skiing partners. Sorry Kailas but I don't think I need to be more specific.

Thanks for bringing back my first post ever on cc. I define a lot as a lot.

Hroark says Canada and its government are horrible and evil. What I want to know is how can any government be horrible and evil when they build the people a cool orange water slide.

Trees are excellent for business!

bummer about the apt. How's the ice out there?

So Dwayner, your still trying to spin why you were banned. Ya know it might help if you didn't talk down to everyone like you do to your students.

Yes

Dear Dave, This is the 20th time you've told us you don't like football.

Your personal experience may be true, but it's hard to tell what's up with the dude you gave as an example at the start of this thread. He could have been passed over for cause he was too smart for the system, or he could have been a stuck up pain in the ass.

Hey veggy do you want some to go with your Seriously though there haven't been a lot of truely new posters for a while; maybe a little shake up will help in the end.

Exactly...I think he might have come off as stuck up in the interview; also the highschool kids might have ate him for lunch. Maybe they were just letting him down easy.

Alcohol, Carbs it's all sugar. You want iron eat beef, preferably Canadian mad cow.

I would just like to say here that cotton is the fabric of the future!

What do you need to know? 100% carbos, and on good beer they tell you the alcohol content.

Umm Fairweather JayB and Peter Puget are still here. Maybe they just haven't had time to spray recently.

Climb: Union Peak-Descent of the NW face Date of Climb: 1/25/2004 Trip Report: This season Cman and I seem to be on a roll. We’ve been out in the bc 3 times this year and each time we end up slogging a lot more than skiing. This Sunday was no exception though we did get some skiing in. We decided to ski up Union Peak just east of Stevens Pass. Cman showed up at my place about 6:30, and we headed out. On the way to the start of the ski we ran into Ken4ord and Dave Schuldt who were getting ready to ski Arrowhead peak. At our trailhead we found that someone had broken trail for us! We cruised up the road and ran into a group of what looked like 20 first time winter campers. Some of them looked a little surly from spending their first night out in the cold, so we kept going. At the first hairpin we ran into a couple guys who had been breaking the trail and passed them. Eventually we made it to the ridge above Rainy Pass where we were treated to a nice view of the south side of Jove Peak. At the summit of Union we took off our skins and started our descent. We should have looked at the map and stayed more to the right but where’s the adventure in that? Anyway we ran into a couple cliff zones that we had to avoid, and eventually we skied down to the flats. From there we skinned up. Instead of following the route description we skied up to a flat bench on the ridge coming down from Union Peak and had a nice ski through the trees till the slope flattened out again. From here we skinned up to Union Gap and skied back down to the road and then out to the car. Overall I would say that this was an interesting tour involving some interesting route finding, but we didn’t think any of the slopes were worth going back to ski again despite the nice powder on them. Gear Notes: Skis and boots, shovel and transciever Approach Notes: There's a well broken trail on the road right now, but there are places where we were breaking through 2' of powder. Avy conditions were low to moderate. There was a layer of ice from the previous warm spell

Spearhead Traverse

CrackB, The only time I climbed Condor we skipped at least every other bolt, and we only belayed at every other station. As far as what’s going to happen well not much directly, but I wont be climbing the route again, and if anyone asks me about the route I’ll tell them that it’s overbolted. That’s really too bad since the situation of the route and the quality of the rock would otherwise make the route a multi-star climb that I would repeat and recommend. Chopping sounds like work, and I have better things to do with my spare time; in addition I’m doubtful that I could do a good job chopping the bolts that I don’t agree with. What I would like to see happen as a result of my complaints is that folks who set routes put more thought into bolting. I don’t agree with people like Pope, but I do think that too many bolts are a bad thing and detract form the overall character of a route. Also overbolting give ammunition to people like Pope and gives them a bigger soapbox to stand on. As far as rubbing salt in a wound by bringing up the name of a route and a route setter, well too bad. The route setter chose to make a public statement with his route. If he were an architect or a playwright critics would review his work. If they didn’t like it they would say so publicly. Nobody would be telling the critic that he couldn’t say anything because the artist or whatever had put a lot of effort into his project and loved it like his wife. I’m with you route setters when you say that people like Pope and Dwayner create a hostile environment that you don't want to be involved in, but when you are obviously unwilling to take mild criticism that’s when you loose me.

Rudy, I’m well aware that the criteria I’ve set out are not something you can put a yardstick up against. If one person says a route is overbolted, well I guess you can take that with a grain of salt; however if a lot of people say a route is overbolted then there may be something to that. In the case of the route I gave as an example everyone I know who’s climbed the route says it’s overbolted. As far as someone being really good at bouldering; well that’s what they’re good at, and if they can’t lead a multipitch 5.10 then they aren’t a 5.10 climber despite the fact that they’re really talented at bouldering.

America is a conglomerate of a lot of different cultures. Whithout Chinese laborers who would have built the railroads to the Northwest? What's wrong with more excuses to party anyway?

I'm resting this evening after a couple long days. Sunday is ski day.

For 90% of my news I listen to NPR ( Fairweather) The rest comes from random sources including stuff people post here.