AlpineK

I'm well aware you are a dick, Dick. I think you are confused with what I said. I haven't made one single personal attack on a route setter. What I did say is that one route setter established a route that has way too many bolts and belay anchors. If a route setter can't take comments like that without throwing a fit then I think that they are the ones who are too thin skinned. You exagerate quite a bit when you start talking about climbers taking dirt naps. If you or others set bolts 40' apart off the deck on a route where the first pitch was either the crux or almost as hard then the route might be underbolted. However if you place a bolt every 6' on a 5.7 pitch where the crux of the route is 5.10 then you've overbolted. Sure you can skip bolts, but I would say that it takes away from the routes aesthetics. If you establish a 5.10 route then you should bolt it so that a 5.10 climber can reasonably climb it without getting wigged; you shouldn't bolt it so a 5.8 climber can hangdog his/her way up the route.

I would think that pope would be up in arms at NASA preparing to drill into a rock on Mars.

I fail to see your point Dick; especially since we've never met. As far as I can tell, since you've never shown up to any real life event and identified yourself, you are the real cyber tweaker. Furthermore I have never gone on anything resembling an antibolt diatribe. I prefer trad, but I have no problem with rap bolted routes. If you really want to have a debate Dick then you shouldn't attack folks the way you complain others do. While I've never put up a route I have climbed for long enough to recognize well set routes from poorly set routes. Since I brought up Lealand and Condorphamine I may as well continue. I think it's great that folks like Lealand have the energy to set routes, however the act of route setting opens them up to being critiqued. Before I climbed it I heard from everyone I talked to that Condorphamine had way too many bolts, and when I climbed it I felt the same way. Lealand deserves some negative feed back on that route in my opinion. I've never done it, but I hear that Lealand's route on Garfield is not overbolted. I'm interested in checking it out. I'm already impressed with the drive Lealand has to set a 20? pitch route. So Dick why don't you come out from behind your computer sometime and meet some of us.

Condorphamine is a good example of something that deserves to be made fun of. The route is fun, and I don't have an issue with the rap bolts, but I do have an issue with the huge number of bolts placed on the route. When it becomes a game to see how many bolts on a pitch you can avoid that's when things have gone too far. Guys like Pope and Dwayner have created a hostile environment for people who use bolts on their routes, however I think guys like Leyland deserve to be made fun of for overbolting. I worry that some of the routesetters are so thin skinned that they can't take a bad review of their route, yet at the same time I think some of the anti bolt diatribe is driving away route reports.

I've used vbl's a couple times. Basicly you have a thin liner sock with the vbl over the top and then a regular sock over the top of the whole thing. This works fairly well when the temps are cold. Keep in mind that you want to have some talcum powder to dry out your feet every night.

That's ok I've got more important fish to fry.

I think there isn't as high a burden of proof for civil stuff, but you should ask a lawyer.

Missing teeth are only an asset to the boys you purchace bj's from.

low threshold for entry into the 'profession'. btw: i have done 'tree work'. cut and split firewood. i believe in natural gas now. It's true that a lot of people think all you need is a pickup and a chainsaw; however there are professionals out there. Here's a good place to look

If I had a dime for every person who told me they used to do tree work I'd be rich. Who knows how much experience the guy had. That being said there are all kinds of funky situations you can run into where unexpected things happen. On friday I cut down this hemlock where the roots had started to pancake and the tree was resting in a fir at a 45 degree angle. I figured the tree would fall over when I cut it out of its resting spot in the fir. Instead the whole stem swayed and shifted 10 feet to the right when I cut it free. I had to come down to the ground to fell the remaining 60' stem.

My head hurts.

icky

You guys can all come over to my place. I've got beer all we need is some food.

What I think you guys should do is send me a pm.

I think GW Bush is a racist motherfucker. I'm sure he can talk all pc, but deep down he wants to put them darkies down. Furthermore I think Fairweather hasn't had an original thought since he volunteered for that free brain implant John Asscraft offered all true patriots.

There's no accounting for taste or good sense

Lunch is for wimps.

God help guide my core tool.

Hey, Does Dean have some kind of steel plate in his neck or something? The guy looks kind of rigid. (Not to mention, LOONEY) It's really shocking that you would have something bad to say about a dem Fairweather. I'll probably vote for Dean, but I definitely vot for anyone who's running against Bush.

Go back to China you commie faggot .

While you were riding your bike or picking your ass or whatever...I was at the hardware store buying plywood.

I would look for running water but make do with snow. Light fluffy powder, like we had around new years, has a lot less water in it than consolidated spring snow. There might be some more truth to the water/dehydration thing when it comes to freshiez. I'd still eat the snow.

No, but less science.

Ya know...I post a cool picture of Mars; then I go off to work. When I come home my nice picture has turned into geek central.

Mars is cool even if it is flat.