AlpineK

Be careful what you wish for; you can be stoned and still do that kind of shit.

I completely disagree. My father climbed, and I found what he did inspiring. While he never had any major problems in the mountains, I still feel that his, " selfish," hoby would have inspired me no matter what.

I spent the weekend with Cman and CrazyJZ climbing basalt on the Tieton. On Saturday we went to Goose Egg mtn. We climbed Comandho spire. The climbing isn't too bad, but the whole place should be renamed Choss Egg mtn. There's a lot of loose shit up there. We knocked off stuff, and we watched another party on Dirty Sanches knock off some huge rocks. On Sunday we were going to do that Lightning route on the Egg, but there was a party ahead of us, and we didn't want to hang out under anyone on that loosy goose. What we ended up doing was going up to the South Fork crag. We found some pretty darn good sporto and trad stuff up there. I doubt the place will ever get popular since it's so far back but I give it It's worth the drive.

I took a fall one time in CO where a block I was underclinging broke. I remember falling head first with the rock right next to me until the rope came tight and I slammed into the cliff. I was all bloody and shaking, but I managed to finish the pitch.

OK obviously some of you can't read. What I said was it's a good training hike with some good views. The skiing is mediocre at best and due to it's popularity the snowfield is a zoo. I'd do it if I was training to climb Rainier for the first time. It's not a bad hike every once in a while, but if that's all you do then you lack creativity. Hey Bug, living with mormons isn't helping your smarts.

Kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit.

I'm proud to say I've never been to an opera. Having a root canal sounds like a better option. On the other hand my parents love that crap. They've been to the ring-ding a bunch. All I can say is enjoy that 19th century dying art form...sucker Kill the

The first rule of fight club is don't talk about fight club.

Fuck you asshole. I never said it was a bad thing to do. If you're climbing Rainier with RMI later then go for it...otherwise find something else to do. Hey spicoli, have you ever climbed anything that wasn't a volcano...I didn't think so...wanker. Iapetus999 hiking to Muir is a good measure of your ability to climb the mountain...but not much more.

I wouldn't put it that way. The skiing is alright but not really that good. The climb/hike up is a good measure of how you will do on a volcano climb, but it isn't the best ever. There are good views of the southern Cascades, and if you're climbing the mountain it's a good test of your ability.

I try and avoid buying gas in Oregon. Fill up in Vancouver . I'd almost think it's worth carying a gas can to avoid fill ups on the way to CA. Fuck OR gas laws.

First, read this thread. Then, review this thread. That should about do it, and have fun! After... I repeat. After you've been to muir read this thread

You're buddy the monkey/norwegian would start puking, and the slow witted tree bear would have to leave to care for his cub. Leaving the once proud wolverine to howl and scream but do nothing...like usual. That is unless the wolverine's mom lets him use his dentures that he's too scared to keep with him.

May I nominate this for the best Freudian muffism? Now that was worth reading this whole thread for.

Yo Divot; take a pill. You're getting all worked up over the slag heap that is Rainier. 1) According to Klenke a summit has prominence if there is more than 400' vertical between it an a adjoining summit. Therefore if you descend 4000' back to Muir or Sherman you can climb the mountain again and tick another summit. 2) the start of the technical climbing is usually the start of the route. Since most routes on Rain Dog have there technical start above places like Muir then once again you've done another route if you come back to Muir and thus another summit. 3) Who fucking gives a shit. Rainier is just a big pile of shit and the true technical challenges are limited. 4) Mike's a ranger, so he ain't get into a pissing match on the internet with an anonimous dipshit when it might make him look unprofessional to other rangers who read the site 5) Bite me.

DILLIGAFF Though I haven't used it for a while

Well you know if you're low on the totem pole in the shipping department you're bound to spend your day packing orders.

Hey everybody, I hear Klenke got himself a job, but he wont tell anyone what he does. Well that doesn't mean we can't talk about what we think he does. Maybe he's an underwear model. Or maybe just maybe he works at a fudge factory...in the shipping department. hmm

That was like 3 days before we ran into you guys at Whitesaddle.

Shit epic my fuckin ass. The Epic was when me and CJZ had to haul all our crap down to Rainy Knob after 2 days stuck in a tent. I know Robert and Ade left cams while rapping the couloir, and we left a bunch more a few days later while rapping in the dark. At the time it seemed prudent. Robert's welcome to the cams though. CJZ, "borrowed," most of the ones we burned on descent from a friend of ours who has a long history of, "forgetting (until we found the gear on his rack)," to tell us that he had some of our gear from a previous trip. The way I figure it it's still a burn on TFM

There is a direct correlation between cost of a process and energy use. It costs more to drive your Hummer to Smith than it does to drive your Prius.

hmm. * Recycled glass saves 50% energy vs. virgin glass (Center for Ecological Technology); recycling of one glass container saves enough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for 4 hours (EPA) * Recycled glass generates 20% less air pollution and 50% less water pollution (NASA) * 1 ton of glass made from 50% recycled materials saves 250 lbs. of mining waste (EPA) * Glass can be reused an infinite number of times; over 41 billion glass containers are made each year (EPA) starting to resemble Fairweather in your accuracy Yet we have this quote from Recycling Today: Source I believe the problem is that glass takes so much energy to process before you remelt it that the energy equasion is neutral. I'm sure if you have a source of washed and sorted glass then recycling does make sense, however human nature doesn't work that way. Besides I didn't come up with this idea from listening to a program on FOX news quite the opposite I heard this on a program funded by Fairweather's dreaded liberal ellite. Klenke The answer to your statement is to try and not be a wastefull consumer in the first place.

I don't have sources; cause I'm too lazy to search. Basically glass is heated up sand. It takes the same energy to heat sand as it does to truck used bottles back to the glass factory and melt them down to turn them into new bottles. Furthermore since glass is sand it isn't going to leach anything nasty into the aquafer under the dump. If they made bottles to be reused instead or melted down then ther would be an energy savings; but they don't.

It makes sense to recycle cans, but glass should go right in the garbage. There is no conservation of anything in recycling glass.