JasonG

Some might say you guys were Bi-Winning @pup_on_the_mountain@OlegV.

That's what I was wondering....how much less the risk in cooler weather. Probably really hard to estimate without recording a bunch of video and tallying ice chunks by time of day/temp. over several years. And I imagine it would be location specific since the angle of slope, rock type, etc. would factor in.

This TR is filled with truth and greatness!

Picardin: Fish and Aquatic Life Researchers estimated the 96-hour LC50 in rainbow trout to be 173 mg/L and the NOEC to be 50.1 mg/L.1,2 Based on this study, the U.S. EPA considers picaridin to be moderately toxic to fish.1 Tests for bioaccumulation potential in the zebra danio fish indicated that there is no potential for bioaccumulation in fish through diet or other exposure routes.2 Another study with the same fish species concluded that there was some potential for bioconcentration, or uptake through water alone.2 Daphnia magna showed no signs of toxicity when exposed to concentrations ranging from 10 mg/L to 100 mg/L for 24 or 48 hours.1 The Lowest Observed Effect Concentration (LOEC) for the green alga Scenedesmus subspicatus was estimated to be 56 mg/L based on 72-hour exposures to concentrations ranging from 5.6 to 100.0 mg/L.1 DEET: Fish and Aquatic Life DEET is slightly toxic to freshwater fish (LC50 = 75 mg/L).1 DEET is slightly toxic to aquatic invertebrates (EC50 = 75 ppm).1 See the text box on EC50. Neither are particularly nasty to people or fish, but I hate melted plastic and numb lips so Picardin is for me.

What about Mount Pugh @mcven? There is a nice camp at the lake before the grind to Stujack Pass. Pugh is a trail, but one that is blasted out of cliffs and very "scrambly". In addition, I'd recommend Crater. Also an old lookout site, with a lake camp below. The most elevation gain of a "trail" in WA- 6200'. Bring bug juice and a headnet for most camps right now...we're at peak bug. Agreed with @chucK, most will want a rope to descend Sahale, and many on the way up too. Also, you'll need an axe and probably crampons if you ascend early.

Check out 20% Picardin products like this. I've found them to be equal to DEET, plus they won't melt plastic, give you cancer, or make your lips numb. Oh, and NICE WORK on Bonanza....one of the classics!

For future info @samueleley...I've found that putting everything in a large, heavy duty, plastic bag deters most . It appears that they don't like to chew on that type of plastic. Just a few days ago I watched one crawl all over my plastic bag (with salty clothes and food in it) before losing interest and going off into the night to terrorize something else.

Thanks for the kind words @cgolden123. I think the rise of social media (FB, IG, etc.) is mostly to blame, but certainly the old software and cranky avatars didn't help. Within the past year, @olyclimber and @jon have done an admirable job addressing the last two issues, and traffic is ticking back up. As you know, the beauty of the site is the wealth of TRs and beta housed here, so please continue to use it, spread the word, and contribute! Here's to another 18 years of the mighty CC.com!

THANKS @psathyrella! I just may have to put this to good use one of these days...

Thanks @NikiY, I let @jon and @olyclimber know.....

That's a long looking route @kukuzka1! I've climbed the West face and that looks almost double. Cool!

Sweet, sounds like now is the time. Going to post a TR @ccox42?

That IS totally unreasonable. I've spent many weeks in the Enchantments over the years and still haven't climbed all those!

Full disclosure @JonParker, you can probably avoid the toe pictured above by rapping in from the west ridge notch (we came around the mountain and carried over, but a full spanning crack denied us entry to the buttress higher up). There is a ramp that comes in above where this photo was taken. Still, you will likely need two ropes and potentially an extra picket to get over the 'schrund from the pin anchor that @Blake and @Dannible reference in this TR. It is a tricky approach from the WRN, even in good conditions.

done @kukuzka1! Thanks for the report!

Here's the story @bobinc.....

Yeah boyz!! Very sorry that I couldn't have run the gauntlet with you....but glad that it all worked out!

I'm not so sure about this.....the NPS has low enough permit numbers in these zones that I can easily see them filling up on July and August weekends in a few years. Will that mean that they're "overloaded"? I would say if you can't get a permit for when you want to go.....yes. Does that mean that they'll be "crowded"? Probably not....

Should be better than this to access the toe of the route (late August 2012).... I would definitely expect shenanigans though.

Trip: Ragged Ridge - Mesahchie, Kimtah, Cosho....south side Trip Date: 07/06/2018 Trip Report: The yin and yang of the North Cascades in one trip, a collection of experiences that seems much longer than could fit in three days...... A classic trail to an impressive pass, followed by a footsore traverse to a first camp with airplane wing views across the valley where the last of the grizzlies was shot in 1967. Choss, choss, and more choss, in all its varied forms on the south side of the ridge, including a winding gully up the imposing Mesahchie, highest of the ragged peaks on Ragged Ridge, climbed in the late after noon of day 1. A wind whipped night in a tent not as guyed as it should have been, an early start to another footsore traverse across endless gullies and ledges to easy snow and talus slopes leading to Kimtah (I had climbed Katsuk on a prior trip and Josh wasn't that interested). Storm clouds gathering to the west as we close in on Cosho, finding a register with the scrap from the FA in 1970, along with a photo of a friend who never made it to Cosho since he died on Luahna in his quest for the 100 highest. Traversing again, this time too high, running the ragged tippy top, praying to not meet the same fate as T.J. and Dallas and so many others, sans rope. Finding a second camp on an old moraine just as the thunder roars and the rain falls, diving into the tent to wait it out. Emerging to cook dinner during a lull, shortly after the rain starts up again and continues all through the night. Packing the wet tent, how did my battery go to 14%?, embarking on a snowy side hill in the rain. Punching my leg into a deep hole, my heavy pack dragging my body below my knee, so painful!, sheepishly and desperately calling to Josh to rescue me. Limping down a steepening ridge in the rain, brush soaking everything, getting off route despite checking the phone and making corrections. Battery is at 9%. This is a lot steeper than it looks on the map. OK, it's mellowing out now. Where's that trail? The trail! Lunch! German tourists sitting too close at our 4th of July pass lunch spot, drying gear in the hot sun, so many clean looking people on the trail, Chinese tourist clogging the bridge over Thunder Creek, are the North Cascades going the way of I-90? A full campground and busy highway but nobody wants to pick up a slightly battered hiker trying to look harmless. Suddenly a guy whips a u-turn and Josh and I are saved. He's a shop teacher with a house in Winthrop, and obviously a very good man. Too nice, even, to take any of the beer we pulled from the creek, exactly where we left it two days before. Camp 1: Forbidden from Mesahchie: Kimtah: Summit of Mesahchie.....4th of July pass looks so very far away: Forbidden: Katsuk, Snowfield and Baker all lined up: The Inspiration Icecap Stormking, Sinister, Dome, and Glacier: Be honest, you haven't given Arches enough credit, have you? This, for a long ways: Looking back at Mesahchie and Katsuk: Summit of Kimtah: How many pictures are you going to take on this trip?? Careful out there people: Kimtah and thieves peaks: Running a little too high west of Cosho.... Time to decompress: Uh oh: Why can't the weather be coming from the east? Clearing after the first round: Heading down between rain squalls: Don't rush the transition, yo: Gear Notes: Helmet, ice axe, crampons Approach Notes: Easy Pass to 4th of July Pass. ~6800' contour to camp below Mesahchie, and thereafter 7400-7800' to traverse the south side of the ridge, dropping stuff and going up from the traverse.

Did you camp at that spot in Thunder Basin? One of my favorites. How is the brush tunnel out of there? When we were there many years ago some hunters had done some hacking so it wasn't so bad....The White River trail was super brushy though. Still is? That is a great and lonesome corner of the range, nice work!

That spring never runs dry, even late into the fall.

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So, so true.

It can change pretty quickly so that's why most wait until it slides, since one person's experience one day doesn't often mean anything for someone else the next. I know of many that have hiked up to turn around. It is pretty sketchy until most of it goes. Which is why August weekends are so busy on it!