quick story about o-rock, in sept 1988 went in with skis[no axe/pons] on my back and began going up the little headwall,which was hardish snow at the base but soon as we were quite high on it it turned to ice/hard snow.luckily had some steps from a climber a couple days before but still we was scared shitless, as any slip would mean a nasty injury/death. lesson learned