Pete_H

Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

I agree with the basic premise of this proposal. I don't know all the details. This commentator talks about punishing people for crimes they haven't already committed. In WWII we didn't send back German prisoners before the end of the war for fear they would get back to the military and continue to fight against us. Essentialy, because they might "commit a crime" in the future. I don't see much difference here.

That is bullshit though. Anyone in America, U.S. citizen or not, gets due process and detention and accusations should be held to a stricter standard.

No because a uniformed enemy combatants is just that.....uniformed. It is clear who they are fighting for. Were under the USA version is you just have to have brown skin. Who the hell decides who is a terrorist and who is not? So our enemies can avoid detention simply by "playing dirty," i.e. not wearing a uniform and being a terrorist? Who decides who is and isn't a terrorist? Not an easy job, but at least this proposal by Obama allows for judicial oversight, which, for me, at least passes a basic test of fairness.

Doesn't this apply to people outside the U.S. where due process doesn't come into play? Shouldn't foreign terrorists captured on foreign soil be the equivalent of uniformed enemy combatants? Will there not be judicial review of each matter?

Not to belabor the point, but read the article again. It says he was taken out Tuesday morning by chopper to Madigan where a doctor said he had been dead for more than 24 hours. Whether the ground team got to him Monday night or Tuesday morning, he was still alive, and therefore could not have been dead for 24 hours when he got to the hospital - according to the article. At any rate, its very tragic and MNRP rescue personnel did all they could to save the victim.

Passive pro is great for anchors. That way you can save the cams for the leader. You'll get more adept and quicker at placing passive pro over time. I'd definitly recommend getting ascenders instead of using prussiks!

OK my bad. I guess. The article contradicts itself though saying he'd been dead for 24 hours by the time the chopper took him out Tuesday. If he wasn't dead when the ground team found him, which was probably on Monday (not Tuesday as the article says) I would imagine they provided him with shelter and warmth over the night until the choppe pulled him out.

Bill how did you not understand that the guy was dead long before the helicopter even spotted him? I spose they could have dropped all that shit you're talking about but its not going to do much good for a cold corpse.

Nice job kids!! Looks awesome. Not to be a rug pisser, but in my limited experience, the R grade seems to be redundant for winter climbs in the Cascades.

Sounds like it would be uncomfortable and a pain in the ass. I always bring the rope in coiled and use it as a pillow.

Smithbrook would fit the bill but may be some snowmo activity. Chiwakum Cr probably OK but might have some coverage issues. If you want to drive the few miles to the end of the road, White Pine would be perfect.

Good description of the BV wall. Fiddler on the Roof definitly fit the bill.

Not much sun in the icicle these days.

Does anyone have a report on 11worth ice conditions? I'm too lazy to drive up the road and have a look myself.

What a great trip, Dan! Such a good crew. I dig that pic of everyone scoping out Spider.

There's been an Occupy Camp 4 in Yos for 40 years.

Nice. I love that place. What's up with the tent city though? I remember staying at Miguel's - pretty laid back and fun.

Heil!

I don't see how this legislation passes even the basic sniff test of holding up to due process scrutiny.

Wow. Who's got asbergers now?

Or so Kevbone can claim its a government rice conspiracy. Sorry, please continue with important free speach discussion.

Stop bothering me. I'm busy counting the number of grains that come in a 50 lb bag of rice.

Yes, busy making "valuable contributions."

Well, since your question was apparently asked to recent immigrants I would think its important to phrase your question in a way that doesn't imply that the job of the Supreme Court is to make policy. However, arranging fingernail clipping jars is a pretty good analogy for most legal analysis.