LostCamKenny

Ah, yes... daisies, aiders, hooks, pins, hammer, and the rest of the monstrous volume of gear make for great rainy day climbing!

Stupid questions from stupid people, maybe?

That's only a foot wide?!? It looks like a gaper!

...and got some kickass pics, too!

Woah...! Sick!!!

cocky for a broad, aren't ya?

You're right about that - haven't had em yet.

You know only what you want to believe... I pity you!

LO crag is fully and 100% owned by the RR right up to the womans backyard on top. It's not an easement, but full ownership of the entire crag and access to the crag. Beacon Rock is 100% within a State Park and happens to adjoin a RR. I don't even see apples to oranges, I see chainsaw to paper sack. I was just thinking if the railroad wanted to really lean on climbers they could always give one and (try to) take another if it suited them. Not sure why they would ever want to do that but stranger things have happened in this crazy world we live in, here. I would actually say hacksaw to notebook paper...

, RuMR! My first kid will know how to place gear by his/her eleventh birthday... However, they will not climb anything where they would need to use the stuff. The idea here is to EXPOSE THEM EARLY! Get it in their heads so it starts churning around and they start to think about it and wonder why everything works the way it does. I won't put a kid out on the rock with a rack and say, "this is how you place this piece and this is how you place that piece... Now go to it." because that is the wrong time in their lives to try that sort of thing. Naw, I'm going to make them understand everything they can so when they are 19 they will be old hand at the stuff and ready to try it if I ask them if they want to. At such a young age, as you are talking about, they don't understand anything - they barely know why they wipe their own asses! But the longer they spend doing something, the more they are around it, the more EXPOSURE they have to something - ANYTHING - the better their attention to it later in life. My kids will respect the opinions of others and when they climb (if they want to climb, that is) they will do so with every confidence because they were taught by someone who knew already and had experience with the stuff. My kids will be respectful, safe and knowledgeable climbers - if they want to be - before they get out there on their own because then and only then will I know that they know what they are doing. I don't trust teenagers to try to learn anything on their own without at least the slightest bit of guidance. Tis better to teach them early and have it working in their heads for all those years than to hope and pray they figure it out when they get on their own and don't want dad to tell them what to do anymore. Hell, I might get my kid speaking french and italian at an early age too so he/she could go live in Chamonix to get away from arrogant Seattleites like yourself! Perhaps you should spend some time trying to teach your 9-year-old a little respect for others opinions and a little less time on the rock so he/she doesn't turn into a douchbag/bitch sprayer like yourself! They might live longer as climbers, though if they remain like you, who the hell knows. My kids might end up having to rescue/recover yours. Yeah, OBVIOUSLY I've never had any experience with kids... What the hell do you know? Nope, never mind... I don't want to risk exposing the rest of this forum to your idiocy. Though, inevitably, it will come... What you got to say now? I'm sure it is just brilliant and full of useful parenting information...

Nice pics, dude. Good on ya... I'm curious, how did the Mazama Glacier look from up above?

Teach them on the ground, idiot!

So they're teaching kids how mindlessly easy it is to clip bolts?!? What a waste of time! Teach them something useful, like how to slot a nut, or cam a hex. I could teach a monkey to clip a bolt...

Oh, boy...

Alright... Pebble wrestling. I love it! Get some sick pics and don't forget to post a TR

Ah yes, more concerns about access to local stuff... I love this forum! One thing I know is that the railroad can shut down anything they want if it butts up against their lines. Whether they do or not depends on cooperation with their wishes and respecting their posted signs. I've never climbed at the Iron Mountain Crag because I didn't want to upset the railroad, so I just climbed elsewhere. I can appreciate the use by local climbers because it is in their neighborhood - presumably - and convenient for them if they don't want to drive out to, say, Ozone, or Broughton. But dealing with the RR is a tricky situation. Good luck with this venture and I hope that everything works out. One other thing to spur conversation: Beacon Rock lies right next to the railroad property out in the Gorge. Assuming that all railroad in this part of the NW is governed by the same head (and I don't know if it is) what effect could the RR letting a tiny sport crag be open have on the access that the RR could give us to real, alpine-like, traditional climbing at beacon, if any? Yeah, yeah, yeah - two entirely different locations, two entirely different access problems governing the two areas, but ONE railroad. Once again, I don't have the answers... I'm just throwing this out there. Anyone care to comment?

Monty's lucky to be alive... hope his recovery is swift. Nice pics of Dragontail.

Nice pics, beautiful scenery!

Those look like monster jugs!

Oh, there's a way... the possibilities for an explosion exist but certain conditions will have to be met. You can rarely say "never," "always," or "no way" when talking about science - just isn't realistic. Juvenile mortality rates - for starters - must decrease before an explosion can occur and an increase in the average clutch size (that's the number of eggs the female lays, for you laymen) would help matters tremendously. Siblicide - which is the killing of an individual offspring by a sibling offspring to reduce competition at the nest site - occurs with eagles and a few other raptors, I believe, and could have something to do with the juvenile mortality rates, but without detailed information about the nest sites, themselves (i.e. where they are located, their size, their aspect) we are lost for further dramatic increases in numbers. And the numbers don't lie!

At least you had a good time... And made it home alive!

Ditto!

That's dedication!

Naw, I've used radios before too, though they are an extra thing to carry and the most convenient way to carry them is also the worst way (I'm talking about slung around your neck). But if you don't mind they are ok. The caveat to radios, that I discovered, is that they still are hard to hear in the wind and you end up sayin, "what?" and "huh?" a lot anyway. I have used them on long pitches when the wind wasn't a factor but rope tugs were only marginally effective and they worked out great - yelling commands in this case sounded like little more than whispers. Overall, technology has afforded us the opportunity to use this stuff and trying it out is worth it just to see how well it performs. In the end what have you really lost? To recap: tugs = ; radios = ; whatever keeps you breathin = ;