LostCamKenny

this is fucking retarded.

what was it - bout at 3 minute ride down?

kev, with THIRTEEN-THOUSAND FOUR-HUNDRED FIFTY-TWO posts i don't blame anyone who wonders how you post anywhere else btw, >1000ft = big wall (imo)

ben, i think you may be picturing "worst case scenarios" with your packing list. i used to do this too. i'd think of everything that could possibly go wrong, or everything that i could possibly want or need, and then i'd pack it. my first time trying hood i think my pack was about 35 pounds - at least - just to do the SS. Here's how i remedied this situation: instead of a stove set-up i take a thermos with hot chocolate, or green tea or something. the weight difference may not be too much, but i feel like i commit more to a climb when i don't take a stove (which i view as something that i'd want if i were planning to be out overnight). ditch the puffy pants altogether - they're extra weight and the cost/benefit ratio of their usefulness is questionable since the only time you'd put them on might be at the summit. instead, when you get cold in your lower half, start climbing; if you are on the summit, move around to stay warm or swing your limbs to force blood to the fingers and toes. the bivy sack and at least a half a pad are things i pack, too - creature comforts. as for the 100 ft of cord, slings, screws, fluke, shovel, picket, and rope you have to evaluate those based on the route you choose: for the SS you really don't need too much. 1 axe can take the place of a fluke, shovel, and picket if you bury it for an anchor and the only times you'd even need to do that would probably be for pulling someone out of the 'schrund - right now its covered - or for fixed belays but how many of either of those are you gonna probably be doing. i love having an axe and a 2nd tool, myself, and since you carry a 2nd tool just ditch the specialty items like the fluke, picket, and shovel. that'll definitely shed a little weight. if you bring a rope you don't need 100 feet of cord because you are carrying 200 feet of rope - maybe bring some prusik cords if you really want. if you don't bring a rope (not bringing one saves a lot of weight, but leaves you somewhat more vulnerable to certain hazards - the debate on this could go on and on and on and on...) don't even bother with bringing prusik cords. slings are light and useful for many things as long as you don't bring more than you absolutely need (2 or 3 maybe), but if you leave the rope in the car then what do you need slings for, eh? screws? well, if you really need them then you are glad you got em, but the simple fact for me is that the idea of actually whipping on one is positively frightening since you'd be falling with at least 24 to 25 sharp points on you. plus, how much fixed belaying do you plan on doing on the SS, even if you do go in one of the devil's kitchen HW gullies? (just "gee-whiz" info, but i stopped taking a belay device when i go on the SS - i just take a large locking biner and if i need to belay i use the munter). the water and the snacks are essential... if you carry a thermos, though, take less water. if no thermos, then up your water to a liter and a half or so. water weight sucks, but it is weight that you can shed easily, if needed. the bottom line is that this is what works for me. my advice is worthless to you because of this fact - it is what works for me. there might be pieces of my system that work well for you and pieces that don't. try different things and do an inventory after you return from a trip to evaluate the usefulness of your gear and figure out what you used and what you didn't. this strategy might open you up knowing what you can take and what you can leave. it might also show you how to find single pieces of gear that can serve several purposes, and therefore save weight by not needing other items (e.g. ice axe instead of a fluke, picket and shovel). keep a record (journal) of your climbs so you will know what you did and how well it worked (or how well it didn't work). best of luck and be safe, whatever you do!

Welcome to spring! Something to chew on... Enjoy!

father of the year strikes again

that sucks about the beer f-ing beautiful otherwise!

you haven't spent enough time out there, brah... i'm closer to the guys i climb with, at beacon, than i am to parts of my own family.

i'm surprised there hasn't been a whitty pun about a cotton gin and an oversensitive socialist to get offended by it in this thread, yet...

... and spun to serve the conclusions that you are trying push on everyone, dude. jus sayin...

you are definitely correct about that latter point, but for the first point you made about a year later, re-read the PM i sentcha

kev, with that statement in mind now click here and explain ;-)

yet its on open forum now... That's it - OffWhite, please murder me! I've had enough.

my hawaiian friends call me a howlie regularly... i continue drinking my beer and flip them off and then we all go play fooseball - get over it!

i'm definitely not a dittohead, nor am i telling the chinese american dude, who was so terribly offended and hurt by it, how he should feel. but don't think for a second that i am going to just fall over and agree that this was racist just because someone else is trying convince me of it on a silly internet message board. king dittohead has been on the radio for many years now and he has been doing controversial BS on his show ever since he hit the airwaves... if it isn't one thing, it's another. he'll offend someone else in some other group in the future so maybe we should just get it all out here. he's a fucking moron with a bunch of money and a shortsighted point of view slanted toward his own ideas. just because i don't find his "ching chang ching chong," silverware-hitting-the-floor, impresssion offensive doesn't mean that i agree with anything he has ever said. being on the radio, he must do some things to get ratings and to get people to either listen or complain... if he gets a response to something then he's getting what he is probably after. offensive? yeah, maybe... but is it really worth getting all bent outta shape about? only to the truly over-sensitive. if you don't want him to have any power then don't listen to him and don't react to the bullshit that is meant to cause a stir!

you're the over sensitive type who should quit looking for pittly shit to bitch about from dumbass radio show hosts who are, themselves, not worth listening to. that's what i make of this. (i agree with bill on this one - we all do it at one point or another.)

merci beaucoup, mon frere...

i can't believe that i actually sat and read all five pages of this recockulous thread... there's five minutes of my life i can never have back

i remember waking up for about two minutes - long enough to see the sunrise. then my fart sack called me back in to where it was warm. damnit if ivan didn't call me an hour and a half later - i was actually comfortable and warm in there!

they'd be chased away from beacon by the yocals the second they returned to the parking lot if they even thought about calling for a rescue out there!

there will probably be a sequel, andrew...

isn't it true that if you ironed out idaho's mountains and made the whole state flat that it would be the largest state in the union?

looks cool anyway!