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Could you explain the correlation between S Seattle and why it's definitely stolen gear? Sorry to offend, In my experience with that area, I've run into alot of sketch balls. Same with anywhere though.

I kinda want to meet this deusch! He's from south seattle too - definitely stolen gear.

I love how there is about 4 separate conversations on this thread.

I didn't notice any broken glass or anything unusual when I arrived at 1:00. It must have been between 1:00 and 5:30? There are alot of d-bags who make the rounds through that lot everyday. Hope it all turns up, I'll keep an eye open around Index for your stuff.

What time did this happen?

If the Dawg showed up to rain on the party I would feel uncomfortable. People have pissed on him long enough , its only a matter of time before he goes postal on everyone with his ninja crowbar-nunchuck skills in revenge . I'm gonna play it safe and go to work instead, hope everyone has a good time !

I'm sorry, I said that I'd bring fire wood. It turns out I probably have to work so I can't be there. sorry ya'll.

He was climbing Gorilla my Dreams on the Winkie Dinkie cliff, decking while trying to clip the first bolt 30' off the deck. He broke his femur, collapsed a lung, and some pretty bad back injuries. He was conscious the entire time. It turns out he was climbing with a buddy of mine (total surprise). He was evacuated within 2 hours of the accident by helicopter to a Seattle hospitalfrom the slab above the black wall. There was a few of us climbers who helped the fire fighters and EMTs haul gear and rig the hauling system. It sounds like the climber will be OK! Special thanks to the Index, Sultan, Gold Bar, and Monroe Fire Rescue, as well as the Snohomish County Sheriff's Department for a fast efficient and safe rescue!

Grivel North America ceased distributing Grivel products on September 1st, 2008. We did our best over the last few years to keep the company alive but the flagging US economy and the Euros strength against the dollar prevented us from doing so. Thats business speak for we can't compete with BD and Petzl.

The reactor is a great ice tool. As for a first leashless tool, you could not find a better one. It is great on lower angle to vertical ice but not too great on overhanging ice because of the angle. It also feels very solid on mixed, more so than the vipers or cobras. having a leashless tool like the reactor would make learning to lead soooo much easier than a leashed tool because you don't have to fumble with the leash. I hope this helps!

Over my ten years growing up as a kid climbing at Index I've scrubbed K-cliff in 2004, Cut back the brush on the approaches to the Inner Walls and the Upper wall trail many times. I've been going to school in Bozeman, Montana the past four years. In my time spent in Hyalite Canyon, I spent time directing early season water flows to popular climbs found in the Genesis area so that people can have spectacular pillars and icicles close to the parking lot (make it to these climbs last season? wonder why they were so fat?) I'm not a stranger to helping a local crag. Look I don't know any of you. You don't know me. I can tell you that being back in Washington, I will be doing my part to help maintain Index (The routes listed above will have a few cleaned this fall). As far as the "Natural" comment. What I mean to say is that slings on a tree are replacable, holes in the rock are not. It's just how I feel about it. Keep slandering me if you will, I've had enough of this ego drivin shit talking! I'm Out!

Sol, You don't even know me, or what I've done for Index or other crags on my own so STFU! Doug, thank you, this is what I wanted to find out. While I may not agree with it 100%, if you had a unanimous decision among everyone you talked to then I can live with that. My OP came across a little harsh and cavalier, I had just had a heated discussion with my partner which got us both worked up. So fear not, I'm not going to chop the bolts because I see that they are important to people. I just worry about the future of the crag due to things I've been noticing. But the times are changing and I just need to live with it.

Check out the Cascade Alpine Guide volume I, II, III by Fred Beckey, I'm sure you'll find tons to keep you busy.

plus, you don't damage the tree itself... Ok, for those who may need a refresher: Rapping from the tree is natural, the tree is super solid (ie. not going anywhere anytime soon) whereas the bolted belay is just another needless scar. OMG I almost forgot, save the trees .

So I'm climbing at Index today and what do I encounter???? Bolts at the top of Rogers Corner before the start of BOC. This has been done recently, WTF, The tree is still great! Has anyone else seen this ? I've been noticing this BS quite a bit recently, like a bolted thin crack up by the inner walls. I guess we can attribute this to the recent popularity of this place in the past few years, but people need to show some respect for the history of the crag and the ethic of the place. What's next, an intermediate anchor before the traverse across Princely Ambitions? A bolt added to the runout on Zoom? This crap just pisses me off!

Fully sick Bryan! I have to ask due to the name of the route, Did the Bickle Wiggle make you squeel like a pig?

Watch these ninja skills: Cheamclimber = Machoman

thanks for the info, I love it up there.

Can we hear the story? That thing looks effin sketchy to descend in the summer!

NW Face goes at 5.10 and am pretty sure it links with the NR above or below the Gendarme. The NW butress links up with the WR though.

I can do quite a bit of firewood!

:moondance: ... Way to go Bryan, can't wait to hit up the sawtooths. Definitely going next year! Get those TR's up QUICK! ...

cheers! :brew:

Thankyou Argus for confirmation on my retardedness.