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I've used a pair of Cobra brand frs radios for ten years or so, with an earbud/handsfree microphone - generic, as far as I know. It's not perfect, but it does the job. Mine are fairly old, and short range, but this is not an issue when communicating from 60 meters. As far as brands go, Motorola has been the gold standard for handheld radios for as long as I can remember. I prefer the models that use regular AA or AAA batteries over the rechargeable models, because my trips are often several days long.
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Ethics, dropping gear and micro-fractures
montypiton replied to shaoleung's topic in Rock Climbing Forum
When gear gets trashed on a climb (dropped, crushed, eaten by a critter, etc) I work it out with my partner according to the situation. Sometimes, I offer to pay for his/her gear. Sometimes, he/she offers to pay for mine. Sometimes, we split. Sometimes, we just blow it off. Do you pay your partner when he/she leaves a rappel sling/ring, or a back-off piece from his/her supply? Exit anchors have been a significant source of gear attrition during my 40+ years climbing, and I've never kept score... Would you pay a partner's medical expenses if he/she were injured climbing on your rack? As a rule, I prefer to climb with easy-going, flexible, undemanding partners... -
Jeff - For the use you describe, it sounds like you made a wise choice. It's perfectly adequate for rappelling, just limits you to fairly short rappels. About the only thing you need to stay aware of is you'll want to use it doubled when leading very high-angled (say steeper than 60') from an anchored belay...
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into the third year with a pair of Garmont Epic-Karbo-Goretex, I'm very happy with them -- super sticky, rigid sole, and extremely comfortable -- 5.10 rock & wi5 ice, no problems. the toe welt is minimal, and I've done some tweaking on crampon toe-bails to achieve reliable purchase -- but its worth it for a boot that performs this well. I have a buddy who had durability issues with a pair of these -- seams failing, and Garmont replaced his boots in the first season. I coated the seams on mine with liquid neoprene and have had no problems. I love 'em!
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the question on thread profile is best answered by reviewing a bit of history vis-a-vis ice screw design. fifty years ago, tubular screws were designed with threads having a "rectangular" profile with thread faces roughly perpendicular to the screw shaft. The thinking was that this profile would resist pull-out best. While pull-out resistance was ok, later engineers discovered that the most significant determinant of holding power for ice-screws is surface area - because the screw freezes in place, so greater surface-area yields greater freeze-bond. Any fracturing around the screw reduces quality of the freeze-bond. For these reasons, modern ice-screw manufactures increased the diameter of the tubular shaft, and machined a parabolic thread-profile on their screws (BD, OP, Grivel,Petzel). The larger internal diameter yields more surface area to freeze in, and the parabolic thread profile reduces fracturing during placement, as well as offering a slight gain in surface-area for bonding. This is also why the modern recommendation is to place the screw sloping slightly UP into the ice, instead of slightly DOWN as in the old days. While it seems counterintuitive, the up-sloping placement greatly reduces fracturing around the screw when it's loaded suddenly, thus increasing the overall holding power of the placement. So- overall, your Russian screws are probably fine. When we first started seeing Titanium screws from Russia back in the '80s, everybody mostly loved 'em, and I still use mine from that era. They don't place quite as easily as the latest versions from BD-OP-Grivel-Petzel, but they're certainly functional - truth is, I don't really notice the difference that much unless the climb is extremely steep/strenuous (V and harder).
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update - reported injuries were a clavicle fracture and concussion, sustained in a fall on the approach. the injured party self-evacuated.
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Chelan County Mountain Rescue volunteers were briefly mobilized for an evacuation from Yellow Jacket Tower, then shortly later recalled. The party on Yellow-Jacket had determined they could get down without help - so what you saw was resources that got to the site more quickly than they could be recalled. I was not told what problems were reported in the initial call for help, and the recall was made within thirty minutes of the original dispatch.
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check your PMs.
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Nice post. From your description, I'd say you handled yourself well. Responding to your initial question - on any climb longer than a half rope-length(where the climber can be lowered to the deck), I carry enough of a variety of sling material to effect self-rescue. Besides a couple of cordelettes, my runners are all open loops (no dog-bones), and my nuts and stoppers are rope-slung rather than wired, except for the sizes too small to accept cord slings. To facilitate communication, and especially with inexperienced partners who may want coaching, I often shorten pitches (when my sons were younger, we broke Saber into 5 pitches), and, for climbs where I expect to be leading a full 70-meters, I have a pair of frs radios with hands-free setups. Thanks for sharing your little epic - I hope other readers will take note.
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Hey jaee why bother with Freddy's rope when you can lay up your own out of sisal twine? directions can be found in old editions of the Boy Scout handbook, or the BSA pioneering merit badge pamphlet. we used to lay up 2" thick hawsers and build monkey bridges across the Teton River back in the day. tried your wand and wire idea, but my hammer doesn't have a big enough head to achieve uniform penetration of the wands... but burying the bundle deadman-style would probably work - is that what you meant?
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Good tools for Vertical and Alpine ice
montypiton replied to LuckyMike's topic in Ice Climbing Forum
I'll try one last time to make myself understood: For nearly thirty years on alpine climbs I carried a pair of ice tools, one head with an adze and one with a hammer. In September of 1979, descending Mt. Robson, I found it no particular hardship when the tool with the adze broke. I carried on with the hammer tool and hardly missed the adze. In February of 1983, retreating from the direct north ridge of Mt. Stuart, I found myself stranded, unable to build rappel anchors, when the tool with the hammerhead broke. For several years in the '80s and '90s I carried three tools on big routes (two hammerheads and an adze). Some of my more conservative partners still carry three tools. I stopped carrying a third tool about ten years ago, switched to a pair of hammerheads, and have had no reason to regret not having an adze-equipped tool with me during these years. I do occasionally still carry a tool with an adze (normally a classic-style ice-axe) on glacier routes on the volcanoes, where I don't expect to be building rock anchors. And I have one partner who insists that an adze is absolutely necessary when you need to move a group of porters in tennis shoes across a steep snowslope - (he gets to go places I don't...) Most of the tools you're evaluating are modular design anyway, (the Aztar being an exception), so you'll most likely have the option of changing your initial configuration if you find it not to your liking. -
a novice climber fell attempting the final lead on the R&D route on Icicle buttress. He was evacuated by personnel from the Chelan County Sheriff's High Angle Rope Rescue Team, assisted by volunteers from the Chelan County Mountain Rescue Association. the fallen climber was taken by Cascade Ambulance Service to Cascade Hospital (Leavenworth), with an apparent ankle fracture. The 911 call was received by Rivercom (Chelan County's emergency dispatch agency) at about 1530, and the climber was in the ambulance by 1900.
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Good tools for Vertical and Alpine ice
montypiton replied to LuckyMike's topic in Ice Climbing Forum
t-slots are my favorite anchors for hard-snow / soft ice - and I have to say I honestly haven't found a lot of difference between constructing them with an adze, or with a hammerhead. I have, however broken the head of a hammer (a brand-new Chouinard Zero north wallhammer on the direct N. Ridge on Stuart in February of 1983)and wished I'd had an extra... if you think its rough constructing a t-slot with a hammerhead tool, try driving a piton with an adze! -
for inexpensive pickets, I head over to the Lowe's or Home Depot and buy lengths of 2" aluminum angle stock which I cut to length (aluminum is soft enough to cut with a skilsaw) and drill lightening holes. ain't pretty, but they're cheap and functional... and I never worry about losing or leaving one...
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I prefer relatively light, rigid, single "leather" (is there such an animal anymore?) boots for technical alpinism, but I've never owned or seen any such that would keep my feet dry on an extended glacier/snow trip. I use an old pair of Lowa Civettas (surprisingly nimble for a plastic boot, and perfectly capable of demanding technical climbing) on extended snow trips. Locally, temps are mild enough that single boots are warm enough year-round. The main argument for plastics is dry feet on extended snow/glacier trips. So, if you're planning to climb mostly volcano routes, a light plastic is a good bet (Scarpa's newest ones are pretty streamlined). If you're headed for places like the Pickets, or Cascade Pass, or Mt. Stuart, something like the current version of Sportiva's Trango Extreme or one of its many imitators would get my vote.
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Good tools for Vertical and Alpine ice
montypiton replied to LuckyMike's topic in Ice Climbing Forum
I just bought a pair of DMM Rebels (demoed them in Canada last season, and "fell in love") Bentgate.com is discontinuing them and currently has them on sale @$139.00 apiece - so I felt like I stole them. They have the best grip system I've seen & used for a tool to climb both alpine and waterfall ice, with solid support for leashless use, but retaining a functional spike for use in the cane position on alpine routes. I haven't bought a tool with an adze since the 1980s - realized I never used the adze anyway, and haven't missed having it - hammerhead seems to work just fine for bashing the occasional step or stance. Prior to purchasing the Rebels, I had been climbing on Aztar hammers for several seasons, and like them as well, although I had to modify the grips (installing finger support-triggers) to climb leashless... -
Poison Ivy/Oak? in Wash Pass and/or Leavenworth?
montypiton replied to MountaingirlBC's topic in Climber's Board
to those who were wondering, both poison ivy and poison oak are common along the eastern side of the cascades. The Icicle and Tumwater canyons are thick with both at this time of year, as is the Wenatchee river corridor (its a big problem for rafters & Kayakers, too). long pants are a dubious defense, since the oils are fairly volatile and persist on clothing sometimes even through a washing or two - the clothing you thought was protecting you may only be spreading the contact... I've only had one SERIOUS case, back in 1976 at Devils Tower when, as a climbing ranger, I had to thrash through a patch of it to reach a head-injured climber we were rescuing... Made for a miserable month. Suggest sticking to fairly well-beaten trails, and paying close attention to where you drop your pack & your shoes, as well as the path of travel your rope takes on climbs. those "in the know" place gear on climbs to direct rope away from encounters with the weed. and if you suspect you made contact, wash EVERYTHING immediately on arriving home - I've washed my rope twice this month... and have escaped with only a hint of bad around my ankles so far... -
Climbing, how much, how difficult and for how long
montypiton replied to minddoc's topic in Climber's Board
Hey Doc - how about approaching it from the other direction -- how many of us have been climbing for 30+ years and are regularly pushing our limits? (or 40+, like many of my regular partners...) As in trade apprenticeships, degree programs, and marriages, four years barely gets you started... -
I second the V-8. don't knock it till you've tried it. Several years ago I pushed myself to the point of collapse on a four-day high-intensity trip in the El-Dorado area. After my partners helped me hobble that last half-mile back to the car, the e.r. doc in Sedro Wooley piped in two liters i.v. for the drive home, then my doc here in der worth piped in three more liters the next morning. (this was truly hilarious: "can you pee yet?"-"no"-"hey-bring us another liter, willya?") After taking blood, he told me I needed to supplement potassium for a week and then look at blood again. I consumed one-half gallon of v8 per day for that week, in addition to my normal food intake. Say what you will about the taste, the stuff works, and its WAY cheaper than formal supplements... if/when I go hard enough to produce significant DOMS, (a rare occasion) I do supplement with glutamine to resolve that. My wife, a fairly intense cyclist, likes the glutamine after any ride longer than a half-century... and, yeah, the banannas and yogurt and whey protein and all are great, but you're missing a bet if you're not adding eggs and olive oil to those shakes. --but that's my normal breakfast diet -- the glutamine and v8 are specific to the really serious recovery episodes
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tempering ego with caution (for fun and profit)
montypiton replied to rob's topic in Rock Climbing Forum
I use a fairly simple criterion to sort out this dilemma - If I'm taking falls and not getting injured, I'm pushing myself. If I'm getting hurt on a regular basis, I have become reckless. Yeah - its hindsight - but "good judgment comes from experience...which comes from bad judgment" -
from your description, I'd guess you were on the right trail, but started looking too low. I agree its tricky sorting out which might be the "through-trail", but if you keep working uphill, you eventually run into the cliff-band that Kramar's book calls Playground Point. Do take a few nuts or cams - the bolt placements are sometimes spread a little more than may be comfortable or safe for an inexperienced lead-climber...
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Difficult Non-climbing Maneuvers in the Alpine?
montypiton replied to EWolfe's topic in Climber's Board
how about meeting some folks on Big Beaver who claim to have marked the crossing to "access creek", so you motor on up to their cairn, cross Big Beaver, spend a long day ascending the obvious creek valley, only to find out, when you top out, that the creek you're up may sport a very familiar colloqial name, but it ain't "access"... -
good question - and smart to be doing your homework. I moved to Leavenworth in 1981 using criteria close to your list. I'm still here. employment is touchy (I drive a school bus these days...) and the ice-climbing is... variable..., but everything else is spot on... Wenatchee, twenty minutes away, is marginally better for finding employment. I have long-time friends who settled further north (Winthrop) using similar selection criteria. If you can telecommute, or are sufficiently entrepreneurial to carve yourself a niche, or have a skill that qualifies you for some government job, move on in. btw, I also looked closely at the Salt Lake area back when I was deciding where to settle. If you liked Salt Lake, the major differences you'll find here are fewer Mormons and a tad less air pollution.
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Mark - it might be worth your while to pose this concern in the fitness forum. You don't say how much you'd climbed before joining this gym, or how long/intense your weekly sessions are, but the symptoms you describe suggest you could be "overtraining". If you're new to climbing, you may need to build strength more slowly. Your current path ends in chronic tendonitis, and you really don't want that.