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We started from the gully

Ahhh...dang....based on what we found, I'm pretty sure we were on the right route...funny....we did it as a bonus route after the SW Rib as well...a little more interesting than the routes further up the gully but still a fast route for a bonus summit.

Blake and I did it two summers ago....here's my recollection of the route we took Blake can add some color but it felt as advertised to both of us....If I recall, we traversed some on the lower pitch to avoid a hornet's nest that made the more direct route undesirable

Were you sent here to reveal God's personal plan for me? That would be a bit arrogant, but that said, I'd like to believe that the bitch-tittie chiding kicked off a little personal fitness epiphany on your part...you are looking slimmer....dare I take credit?

It's easy to understand why someone who believes in God would try and show an un-believer the err of his ways...out of compassion for the soul. The justification of this in reverse seems to elude me. Are you (TTK) that insecure of your own position and beliefs that you need some sort of validation? "Don't believe in God....I don't and just look how happy I am" So your idea of fulfillment is getting compliments on your flower macro shots and spending countless hours on stupid Youtube videos....GOOD FOR YOU....but no need to be threatened by the possibility that there might be more to life that you are missing out on.

I too have/love the DAS - it is the premier synthetic overcoat for full conditions, but I have to take exception to the statements about light weight and small - there are lots of lighter/smaller jackets out there, especially once you start looking at down. As Dan Smith stated, synthetic is the way to go, though, if the conditions suck (i.e. winter in the Cascades). The DAS is great, and relatively light, but very bulky in the pack

I just climbed there for the first time in June with the Supertopo book, and thought it was great - while some tend to be "select" guide books, Lover's leap is not that big so it's relatively comprehensive.

plus, you don't damage the tree itself... Ok, for those who may need a refresher: Rapping from the tree is natural, the tree is super solid (ie. not going anywhere anytime soon) whereas the bolted belay is just another needless scar. OMG I almost forgot, save the trees . A needless scar in an old rock quarry This cannot be!

Nope - we deserve a former "community organizer"

"Some people use change to promote their careers, and some people use their careers to promote change" Take that libtards

Interesting take on the situation....here's another slant There are probably few people in the country as familiar with Sarah Palin's character as her own daughter. The fact that the daughter, even knowing that the actions leading to the pregnancy surely went against everything that the family had taught, knowing what her mom's stance would surely be, and knowing about the likely political ramifications of this "scandal", did not go "have it taken care of" (undoubtedly the easy thing to do here) is pretty telling. When a child is able to trust a parent that much - I think it says a lot about both the child and the parent. I hope, as a parent, my children feel confident enough in my unconditional love that they would trust me enough to seek my counsel and support if they were in a similar position. Perhaps Sarah Palin is a person of integrity, and compassion, just like the hype. How weird would that be? It's pretty sad when staying true to one's beliefs and values, even when the consequences immense, is not considered admirable. As far as hypothesizing about what the conservative press would do if it was the child of a Democrat, don't waste your breath - those hypothetical kids don't make it to their first ultrasound.

no respect. Ivan can't be held responsible for anything posted within 2 hours of 4:20 PM, due to his particular "skilz"

Yes and no. In my mind, we have to keep talking about this because so many Americans and politicians keep arguing that we can and should rely upon American military strength as the answer to just about every "situation" that comes up. You are right that the debate over the run up to the war is a distraction from considerations of exactly what to do in Iraq now, but it is absolutely essential that we acknowledge how we got into this mess if we are going to avoid making things worse everywhere else. Sigh...all I can say is screw the weatherman. I should be climbing today, but cancelled my plans based on the forecast last night - instead I'm blathering about politics.

A quaint truism. The problem with all of this is that nobody is even trying to talk about what our prospects for any kind of improvement let alone success in Iraq may be. From Democrats and Republicans all we get is sound bites that are designed to stimulate an emotional response but no real information nor any actual discussion. Couldn't agree more.....Perhaps once the election is over, we can stop the partisan debate about whether or not going to war in Iraq was justified, and face the fact that we are there, have an adult discussion about what conditions should be met before we withdraw, and start working towards that end. Talking about how much we are spending on reconstruction has limited value. How much did the US spend on Japanese reconstruction after WWII - and they attacked us. In Iraq, we need to question whether we are spending money wisely and not throwing it down the drain to be wasted (by corruption, corporate greed, etc.), but we need restore human services, transportation infrastructure. etc. that we bombed. Whether or not we should have bombed it is a separate discussion.

You break it, you fix it....call it a moral obligation

No...nor did he pack it out as the extra weight would have put his speed record at risk

is this tenaway RR?

bump?

I've got a full weekend coupon this weekend - August 23/24th and hoping to get out. I can lead 5.8+ and follow 5.9 - 5.10a and have some ideas depending on ability, weather, and whether I find me a rope-gun. Lot's of alpine experience.

so then the assertion that this time is a "speed record" is incorrect?

"The Audacity of Hope"

No time for all this work you suggest Matt. Why the hell are we talking politics on a Sunday anyways?

Written in true conversational style with little if any substantiation...interesting. I thought your points above were paraphrasing the article, but, alas, they are the article. BTW, not making admiral does not necessarily constitute a "weak military record" if that what the author is alluding to - but then again, he doesn't give any meat to back up his allegations, so pretty baseless article IMO.

my $.02 - I had a third degree AC separation about 17 years ago, and have the bump and can fell a little give as I push on it. I have found that lifting weights and keeping he muscles strong to compensate for the loss of ligamental stability has helped enormously. I never noticed and pain or functional issues until ~ 7 months ago when I tweaked it climbing - fell on a hand-jam at full extension. It's taken a long time to heal and my PT that looked at it pointed out that the AC separation has/will result(ed) in some ongoing joint instability and may have resulted in a slight tear of the labrum. I've also noted in the rehab process that there's a distinct difference in the muscle mass (deltoids mostly) between the two shoulders. I started adding targeted shoulder exercises to my lifting routine, and am feeling much better. From what I've gathered, the shoulder like any other joint can be more prone to injury if there is anatomicaly instability from a previous injury, so get it really strong with boring but necessary excercises....therabands, cables, etc.

Damn...Looks like you have a good b/c ski partner for next year Rob